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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 08:21:57  
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So what's the truth here?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 08:39:31  
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"There are no hungry kids. We feed every child,"
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In the Cherry Creek School District, students who fail to qualify for the free lunch or reduced lunch program receive one slice of cheese on a hamburger bun and a small milk.

According to Curry, that meal is not sufficient. She said she often paid for students' lunches out of her own pocket.

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Amole said Curry's firing had nothing to do with giving away food.
Couldn't say for sure.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 09:04:04  
I think both liberal and conservative posters alike on this forum can agree with this article written by a liberal professor. As much as some people here like to slam "feels", I think it's safe to say most people here don't actually go so far as to let those "feels" effect their day-to-day in a drastic way, just our ideals as we argue them on said internet forums.

This, however, has very serious, very problematic real-world repercussions for everyone and it's out the *** of control.

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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I'm a professor at a midsize state school. I have been teaching college classes for nine years now. I have won (minor) teaching awards, studied pedagogy extensively, and almost always score highly on my student evaluations. I am not a world-class teacher by any means, but I am conscientious; I attempt to put teaching ahead of research, and I take a healthy emotional stake in the well-being and growth of my students.

Things have changed since I started teaching. The vibe is different. I wish there were a less blunt way to put this, but my students sometimes scare me — particularly the liberal ones.

Not, like, in a person-by-person sense, but students in general. The student-teacher dynamic has been reenvisioned along a line that's simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront, and a teacher's formal ability to respond to these claims is limited at best.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 09:05:49  
"gwb>obama"

anyone have the link to the cnn poll?

it's not in the article.... lazy ***
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 09:13:45  
I'm fairly sure that most lunch ladies don't make a lot of money, and I wouldn't be surprised if them paying for the meals of underprivileged kids turned out to be common. They certainly seem like an underappreciated group.

On a side note, making friends with the lunch ladies was one of the best things I did in high school. They would often throw in extra cheese-filled breadsticks for free and were pretty cool once I got to know them.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 09:33:07  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
They certainly seem like an underappreciated group.

On a side note, making friends with the lunch ladies was one of the best things I did in high school. They would often throw in extra cheese-filled breadsticks for free and were pretty cool once I got to know them.

Right?

Being polite to everyone you meet until they give you a reason not to be is the best thing you can ever do for yourself, let alone others.

Our lunchroom workers were awesome.

I mean, they didn't give us free stuff because that would have got them in trouble, but they were really cool people.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 09:35:39  
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I'm fairly sure that most lunch ladies don't make a lot of money, and I wouldn't be surprised if them paying for the meals of underprivileged kids turned out to be common. They certainly seem like an underappreciated group.

On a side note, making friends with the lunch ladies was one of the best things I did in high school. They would often throw in extra cheese-filled breadsticks for free and were pretty cool once I got to know them.

my friend's mom was a lunch lady. she impressed the hell out of me with here knife skills... faster than martin yan...if anyone remembers him >.>

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 09:47:32  
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As for this
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Amole said Curry's firing had nothing to do with giving away food.
Couldn't say for sure.
That's what I'm curious about now.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 09:53:03  
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
As for this
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Amole said Curry's firing had nothing to do with giving away food.
Couldn't say for sure.
That's what I'm curious about now.
It's a wait and see thing now. Was there another reason? Will the woman give up her right to privacy on the issue and allow them to speak on the matter? What will they even say?

Stay tuned!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 09:53:35  
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I think both liberal and conservative posters alike on this forum can agree with this article written by a liberal professor. As much as some people here like to slam "feels", I think it's safe to say most people here don't actually go so far as to let those "feels" effect their day-to-day in a drastic way, just our ideals as we argue them on said internet forums.

This, however, has very serious, very problematic real-world repercussions for everyone and it's out the *** of control.

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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I'm a professor at a midsize state school. I have been teaching college classes for nine years now. I have won (minor) teaching awards, studied pedagogy extensively, and almost always score highly on my student evaluations. I am not a world-class teacher by any means, but I am conscientious; I attempt to put teaching ahead of research, and I take a healthy emotional stake in the well-being and growth of my students.

Things have changed since I started teaching. The vibe is different. I wish there were a less blunt way to put this, but my students sometimes scare me — particularly the liberal ones.

Not, like, in a person-by-person sense, but students in general. The student-teacher dynamic has been reenvisioned along a line that's simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront, and a teacher's formal ability to respond to these claims is limited at best.
I saw that article before, but didn't read it. Took a look now, you should have used this quote:
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"Emotional discomfort is [now] regarded as equivalent to material injury, and all injuries have to be remediated." Hurting a student's feelings, even in the course of instruction that is absolutely appropriate and respectful, can now get a teacher into serious trouble.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 09:54:25  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
They addressed this
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"There are no hungry kids. We feed every child,"
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In the Cherry Creek School District, students who fail to qualify for the free lunch or reduced lunch program receive one slice of cheese on a hamburger bun and a small milk.

According to Curry, that meal is not sufficient. She said she often paid for students' lunches out of her own pocket.

As for this
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Amole said Curry's firing had nothing to do with giving away food.
Couldn't say for sure.

If they let her go for violating a policy, that's their prerogative. If they have children who's parents cannot afford student lunches and fail to provide a sack lunch for them and don't qualify for reduced or free lunches, there's a larger problem. Either the student lunch program needs some serious attention or the parents are being neglectful. There really is no scenario where a teacher's charity should be the issue.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 09:56:17  
Perhaps she should give permission to release the information. If she is right then what's the harm?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:00:11  
Ramyrez said: »
I think both liberal and conservative posters alike on this forum can agree with this article written by a liberal professor. As much as some people here like to slam "feels", I think it's safe to say most people here don't actually go so far as to let those "feels" effect their day-to-day in a drastic way, just our ideals as we argue them on said internet forums.

This, however, has very serious, very problematic real-world repercussions for everyone and it's out the *** of control.

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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I'm a professor at a midsize state school. I have been teaching college classes for nine years now. I have won (minor) teaching awards, studied pedagogy extensively, and almost always score highly on my student evaluations. I am not a world-class teacher by any means, but I am conscientious; I attempt to put teaching ahead of research, and I take a healthy emotional stake in the well-being and growth of my students.

Things have changed since I started teaching. The vibe is different. I wish there were a less blunt way to put this, but my students sometimes scare me — particularly the liberal ones.

Not, like, in a person-by-person sense, but students in general. The student-teacher dynamic has been reenvisioned along a line that's simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront, and a teacher's formal ability to respond to these claims is limited at best.


Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 10:04:59  
Radical feminization of today's ultra liberal youth. Win!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 10:08:26  
In other news, two nights ago, I was chillin at this cafe in the bohemian area of Belgrade drinking a few beers taking some time off from working. Ended up having a 3 hour conversation with some tourists from Germany talking about Greece and the ECB. Very interesting conversation.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 10:08:57  
Odin.Jassik said: »
There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

No it needs to at least double in size.

chickens coming home to roost and something something Danger Zone.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:10:28  
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

No it needs to at least double in size.

chickens coming home to roost and something something Danger Zone.

We should start making people fight the Gorn before they're allowed to sue for this crap.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 10:16:40  
It's more the administrations fault than it is the students. There have always been students filing complaints about one thing or the other as he even mentions in the article but its how the administration is dealing with it differently now.

There are real issues that do need to be addressed or even just explained to a student.

Universities have become more of a business.

I thought it was funny because they even had those review sites when I was back in school and people used to use them to pick who they would want as a professor for that particular subject and on the first day of one of the classes the guy began the class by saying he read the reviews himself and would change his course accordingly... they thought they were in for an easy a and then bam! backfired. lol...

getting off topic... people have legitimate concerns and such but you really just need to sit down and talk with these students and explain to em why it is the way it is and then just be done with it. you can't bow down and change everything because of a simple complaint and that falls on the admins shoulders as well.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Radical feminization of today's ultra liberal youth. Win!
Why do you even say things like this?
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 10:21:09  
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Radical feminization of today's ultra liberal youth. Win!

Thank you, Chaos, for being the one to jump right to blaming feminism. I knew it was coming from someone.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:21:17  
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I thought it was funny because they even had those review sites when I was back in school and people used to use them to pick who they would want as a professor for that particular subject and on the first day of one of the classes the guy began the class by saying he read the reviews himself and would change his course accordingly... they thought they were in for an easy a and then bam! backfired. lol...

I took a couple cheeso humanities classes the first time around and "history of rock and roll" was honestly one of the hardest classes I've ever taken. The coursework alone was on par with a gen-ed class, but the reports were nuts. You didn't just sit and listen to music, you had massive analytical papers to write, tons of quizzes and tests, etc.

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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Radical feminization of today's ultra liberal youth. Win!
Why do you even say things like this?

He's passively prodding at the caricature liberals.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 10:30:11  
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Why do you even say things like this?
Because that is and has been what's going on for about the past 10 years. First it was slow and now it's speeding up exponentially. What's the tipping point?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:34:40  
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Why do you even say things like this?
Because that is and has been what's going on for about the past 10 years. First it was slow and now it's speeding up exponentially. What's the tipping point?

It's inherently sexist to attribute undesirable traits as feminine. It's a lot of things (entitlement, laziness, apathy), but to immediately jump to "feminization" as a cause for youth problems... that's some wacko stuff, bro.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 10:36:42  
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Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

I guess today is "Ravael's Anecdotes Day". I had a college professor that made a girl cry. Homework was due before the start of class, and she handed her homework to fellow classmates to pass the paper down to the professor's desk. The paper hit his desk a couple seconds after the hour. He handed it back to her and gave her a zero. I wonder how well that would go for him at other universities nowadays.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 10:37:53  
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Because that is and has been what's going on for about the past 10 years.

It started before anyone posting here except Chanti and maybe Nik was alive and has nothing to do with feminism.

Back in the late 60s/early 70s, people began litigating for everything. Some feminists have used this, but so have other minority groups, religious groups, private interest groups, and people in general who simply want to get out of working, so they sue for everything hoping for that juicy settlement. Combine that with (as Flavin said) an increasingly corporate structure at the top of colleges and universities turning academia into another worthless corporation, and this is what you get.

This isn't a result of feminism. This is a result of a litigious society perpetuated by human greed, which is currently a market cornered largely by white guys. Though admittedly women and minorities are making inroads, so those white guys are kinda upset and so you see them turning everything into a way to cash in.

This is merely the academic facet of that.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 10:41:05  
oh gdi... now I gotta find the quote that reminded me of...
something something what we can't achieve at the ballot box we'll something something in the courts
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:42:53  
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

I guess today is "Ravael's Anecdotes Day". I had a college professor that made a girl cry. Homework was due before the start of class, and she handed her homework to fellow classmates to pass the paper down to the professor's desk. The paper hit his desk a couple seconds after the hour. He handed it back to her and gave her a zero. I wonder how well that would go for him at other universities nowadays.

One of my professors the first time around had a box next to his desk marked "late work". We all just assumed it was a dare to turn in late work, he'd empty the box at the end of the semester and make an example of you or something, but it literally had a paper shredder in it. I KNOW that wouldn't fly now, and honestly, it was pretty questionable at that point. If you don't want to accept late work, then don't.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 10:43:21  
I had a journalism professor who had some pretty great grading standards.

You lost one letter grade for every grammatical error or typo in regular words of an article or press release.

You got a zero on the assignment if you incorrectly spelled a proper name of any kind.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 10:44:10  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

I guess today is "Ravael's Anecdotes Day". I had a college professor that made a girl cry. Homework was due before the start of class, and she handed her homework to fellow classmates to pass the paper down to the professor's desk. The paper hit his desk a couple seconds after the hour. He handed it back to her and gave her a zero. I wonder how well that would go for him at other universities nowadays.
I think that's a pretty *** policy... I've known some not to accept work right after class as some students would be doing that during class instead of actually paying attention but it was clearly done before she came into class.
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