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Random Politics & Religion #00
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-30 13:37:31
Gay marriage: Could white slavery be next?
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:37:58
Gay marriage: Could white slavery be next?
We are already slaves to feels !
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-30 13:38:38
Gay marriage: Could white slavery be next? Next week on Rush Limbaugh.
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:39:39
More like day 253 of gay marriage coverage !
By Ramyrez 2015-06-30 13:39:48
Gay marriage: Could white slavery be next?
Already happened, but since it wasn't exactly like chattel slavery don't bring it up. There are a handful of really, really angry and upset historians/SJWs on the topic that get offended if you say anyone else may have had it bad, even if not in the same way or QUITE as bad.
"Hey, this guy just broke all of the bones in my hands with a hammer!"
"Shut up. He busted up my genitals too, so it doesn't matter."
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:41:05
Well as a liberal everything offends me. So that is par for the course.
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Bahamut.Omael
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-06-30 13:42:07
Well as a liberal everything offends me. So that is par for the course.
I'm offended by that.
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:42:53
Well as a liberal everything offends me. So that is par for the course.
I'm offended by that.
Me too !
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-30 13:43:09
The other day there was a black person on the same train as me. Jeez, when will these liberals stop oppressing us with their policies?
What am I gonna find next time, a jew?!
*watered down version of the other day's joke xD
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:43:44
Speaking of things I find offensive... the Pope is coming to America !
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pope-us-meet-homeless-prisoners-immigrants-32121855
Meeting with homeless people what a waste of time ! They don't have any money !
Pope Francis will meet with homeless people, immigrants and prisoners during his upcoming trip to Cuba and the United States and become the first pope to address the U.S. Congress. He'll also preside over a meeting about religious liberty — a major issue for U.S. bishops in the wake of the Supreme Court's gay marriage decision.
The Vatican published the itinerary Tuesday for the eagerly awaited Sept. 19-28 visit.
Francis added the Cuba leg onto the start of his U.S. trip after helping contribute to the historic thaw in U.S.-Cuba relations.
In Cuba, he'll celebrate Mass in Revolution Square in Havana — as both of his predecessors did during their trips to the Caribbean island nation. He'll travel to Holguin and pray before the Virgin of Charity of Cobre, the patron of Cuba, and meet with Cuban families in the eastern city of Santiago.
Francis arrives in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 22 and the next day will be welcomed at the White House by President Barack Obama, the Vatican said.
Francis will address Congress on Sept. 24, and will meet with homeless people later in the day at a local parish, St. Patrick's.
On Sept. 25, Francis will speak on sustainable development at the United Nations, where he'll have another opportunity to voice his concerns about the environment.
Republicans in the U.S. Congress, and even some Republican U.S. presidential candidates, have largely shrugged off Francis' denunciation of the current global economic system in which wealthy countries exploit the poor and pollute the Earth in the process.
Nevertheless, U.S. House Speaker John Boehner said lawmakers were welcoming the unprecedented papal visit "with open ears and hearts."
Francis will host an interfaith gathering at Ground Zero in New York and meet with children and immigrant families in Harlem.
Unlike his predecessors, Francis has no meeting with the Jewish community listed on the official itinerary. Francis, though, has very close relations with U.S. Jewish groups and is known to change course during foreign trips to add extra encounters. An unannounced encounter with victims of priestly sexual abuse is also a possibility.
While Pope Paul VI in 1965, St. John Paul II in 1979 and Benedict XVI in 2008 celebrated Mass in Yankee Stadium, Francis will celebrate Mass for a smaller crowd in Madison Square Garden. He'll also preside over a vespers service at the newly spruced-up St. Patrick's Cathedral.
On Sept. 26, he will join the church's World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia, a big rally for the Catholic Church's traditional teaching on families. He will host a "meeting for religious liberty" on Independence Mall with immigrants and the Hispanic community, the Vatican itinerary said.
U.S. Catholic bishops have for years decried what they say are attacks on religious liberty, particularly over national health care laws that require insurance coverage for contraception.
The bishops' latest rallying cry has come in the wake of the Supreme Court decision declaring that same-sex marriage is legal nationwide.
While the decision does not compel any clergy — Catholic or otherwise — to marry gay couples, there are concerns that the massive network of faith-based charities, hospitals and schools in the U.S., many of which accept some government funding, will be forced to recognize same-sex couples by providing benefits to same-sex spouses or placing adoptive children with gay couples.
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:46:48
The Pope is going to ask the homeless people to stop being homeless and join the Catholic faith !
So they can recruit other homeless people to join the church.
Administrator
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By Drama Torama 2015-06-30 13:48:53
Now, speaking personally, I think that removing tax exempt status from churches is theoretically a good idea (in terms of equality), but a horrible idea in practice. Right now, that's pretty much the only stick you have with regards to preventing religions from actively participating in politics en masse. Removing the incentive to stay (at least in appearance) out of politics would be extremely detrimental to the US system of governance.
Somehow, I'm not sure that the Catholics, at least, qualify anyhow. Not when the Pope is constantly meeting with world leaders, including our own.
Not political my left nut.
And I wonder how many denominational-related lobby groups get behind candidates with the wink-nod from a religion while the religion's national committee goes "Oh, no, we're not funding anything political..." There's a world of difference between the current "nod and wink" policies, and rampant demagoguery. Which is quite a fun word to spell, by the way.
It's also worth noting that the Catholic Church is going to be an outlier (albeit a rather large one) for any of these discussions, given that the Vatican is actually an independent state.
But yes, the status quo has problems. I'm not sure those problems are worse than what we'd get if we removed any incentive to play along.
What I'd ultimately like to see is religious organizations be treated as a class of charity; you open your books, and if you use some pre-determined % of your income on visible, verifiable charity work, your rules around taxes stay much like the current system. If you do not, you're treated as a for-profit business, and that's okay too, you can apply for your exemption again next year.
Churches that actually fulfill their stated mission of doing good in the world don't really see anything change beyond some more accounting, and those who don't, well, more tax money for schools and roads.
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:49:12
The other day there was a black person on the same train as me. Jeez, when will these liberals stop oppressing us with their policies?
What am I gonna find next time, a jew?!
*watered down version of the other day's joke xD
A Jew in Italy sounds like a good plot for a movie !
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-30 13:49:53
You might be homeless my children, but you are not churchless! *fist to heart*
*everyone applauds like the pope did something*
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:50:29
Who needs a home when you got the church pew to sleep on !
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:52:39
[Mod edit: yeah, that one's too far. --Rooks]
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-30 13:55:01
Pat Robertson: Gays Will Force You To Have Anal Sex, Bestiality
Quote: “It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:56:21
Well bestiality is always awkward when you first try it !
You got to get the right breed of dog first.
Caitsith.Zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-06-30 13:56:58
On the topic of tax exempt status of churches in the US, I think a good compromise would be adopting the German system of taxation in which those who are baptized/confirmed members of churches have a compulsory income tax levied on them and those who are not members or renounce their active status within the church don't pay.
Those who remain have the benefits of parochial schools and the pomp and circumstance and...Ummm...People who are unaffiliated in Germany can still attend masses and services but cannot partake in Communion, Catechism, Ash Wednesday, etc. Fair for the secularists. Fair for the devout.
It's entirely lop-sided that in the US churches do not pay, at the very least, property taxes which is funneled back into their respective communities. I think what most secularists here (on FFXIAH), and they're not wrong for thinking so, have more of a "put your money where your mouth is" attitude.
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:57:24
On the topic of tax exempt status of churches in the US, I think a good compromise would be adopting the German system of taxation in which those who are baptized/confirmed members of churches have a compulsory income tax levied on them, and those who are not members or renounce their active status within the church don't pay.
Those who remain have the benefits of parochial schools and the pomp and circumstance and...Ummm...People who are unaffiliated in Germany can still attend masses and services, but cannot partake in Communion, Catechism, Ash Wednesday, etc. Fair for the secularists. Fair for the devout.
It's entirely lop-sided that in the US churches do not pay, at the very least, property taxes which is funneled back into their respective communities. I think what most secularists here, and they're not wrong for thinking so, have more of a "put your money where your mouth is" attitude.
You keep your German ideas in Germany this is America !
By fonewear 2015-06-30 13:58:44
If taxes upset you so much just start your own religion/church like Jim Jones. Then you can finally stop paying taxes.
Bahamut.Omael
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-06-30 14:00:32
Pat Robertson: Gays Will Force You To Have Anal Sex, Bestiality
Quote: “It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”
Pat Robertson's still alive? Maybe there really is no God.
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 14:00:42
For people that practice no religion you guys spend a lot of time thinking about... religion/churches.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-30 14:01:58
On the topic of tax exempt status of churches in the US, I think a good compromise would be adopting the German system of taxation in which those who are baptized/confirmed members of churches have a compulsory income tax levied on them, and those who are not members or renounce their active status within the church don't pay.
Those who remain have the benefits of parochial schools and the pomp and circumstance and...Ummm...People who are unaffiliated in Germany can still attend masses and services, but cannot partake in Communion, Catechism, Ash Wednesday, etc. Fair for the secularists. Fair for the devout.
It's entirely lop-sided that in the US churches do not pay, at the very least, property taxes which is funneled back into their respective communities. I think what most secularists here (on FFXIAH), and they're not wrong for thinking so, have more of a "put your money where your mouth is" attitude.
EDIT: May not work in the US, since the US has a hard-on for slap-dash, make ***up as you go churches. The same here for Lutheranism (the state religion); you can choose to be a part of it (about 2% tax?), or choose not to.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-30 14:02:25
Pat Robertson: Gays Will Force You To Have Anal Sex, Bestiality
Quote: “It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”
Pat Robertson's still alive? Maybe there really is no God. Or maybe there is, and neither side wants him.
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By fonewear 2015-06-30 14:03:01
Pat Robertson: Gays Will Force You To Have Anal Sex, Bestiality
Quote: “It doesn’t matter what custom you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what holy thing that you worship and adore, the gays are going to get it,” Robertson said. “They’re going to make you conform to them. You are going to say you like anal sex, you like oral sex, you like bestiality, you like anything you can think of, whatever it is. And sooner or later you are going to have to conform your religious beliefs the group of some aberrant thing. It won’t stop at homosexuality.”
Pat Robertson's still alive? Maybe there really is no God.
What Nietzsche meant by that quote is not that God is dead but the idea that religion is necessary is dead. The belief in a higher power.
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-30 14:03:11
If taxes upset you so much just start your own religion/church like Jim Jones. Then you can finally stop paying taxes. Yes. Shortly after a nice refreshing drink.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-30 14:03:42
There's a world of difference between the current "nod and wink" policies, and rampant demagoguery. Which is quite a fun word to spell, by the way.
There's a difference.
When you deal with politicians who openly pander to religion, however, I don't think it's as wide of one as you want to believe it is.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-30 14:04:07
Nothing is real without the feelz. Libs don't feel like the church will be attacked, so it never will be.
Another day, another article Nausi quote mines and completely missed the point of.
Another day another point Pleebo can't understand any other way but his own.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-30 14:04:50
What I'd ultimately like to see is religious organizations be treated as a class of charity; you open your books,
PERSECUTION! HOW DARE YOU SUBJECT ME TO YOUR SCRUTINY! FIRST AMENDEMENT! FIRST AMENDMENT!
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