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Random Politics & Religion #00
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-08-30 21:24:00
Um, see my first post on the last page >.>
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-30 21:24:15
Um, see my first post on this page >.> Ok.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-30 21:25:11
Um, see my first post on the last page >.> Oh, you mean that blog.
Well, if you are using blog as a source..........what makes you different than anyone who uses infowars or Alex Jones as a source?
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-08-30 21:26:09
Didn't expect to page, obviously.
And I wouldn't reference the GW thread. It doesn't support at all your claim of providing sources lol.
Um, see my first post on the last page >.> Oh, you mean that blog.
Well, if you are using blog as a source..........what makes you different than anyone who uses infowars or Alex Jones as a source? Didn't bother reading it, did you?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-08-30 21:27:44
Didn't expect to page, obviously.
And I wouldn't reference the GW thread. It doesn't support at all your claim of providing sources lol.
You mean the thread where I asked you to provide your data to prove that global warming was 100% man-made without a question?
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-30 21:32:57
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »It is silly to take a 95% certainty about obvious environmental conditions around you and demand it is 100%.
95% certainty? Don't be throwing around random percentages, I'll call you on it every time.
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Generally, anyone denying we have a serious climate change issue on our hands that is fueled by mankind is either ignorant or has an agenda.
That is true for many people, yes. But it's also true for people on the other side as well.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-08-30 21:37:28
95% is the standard and is referenced in the latest IPCC report. On my phone but I can quote that later, if you'd like.
And, no, King. That's not how it works.
VIP
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-30 21:40:42
Less than 100% certainty isn't proof the opposite is true or that the doubt is considerable, regardless of what you're talking about. It's the same reason nobody is 100% responsible for a car crash and substances aren't 100% pure. 24 carat gold 99.98% pure, does that mean it isn't gold?
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-30 21:41:04
95% is the standard and is referenced in the latest IPCC report. On my phone but I can quote that later, if you'd like.
And, no, King. That's not how it works.
95% is the standard for a lot of experiments, but Floppy seemed to be referencing the entirety of anthropomorphic climate change research as if it were a single hypothesis with 95% confidence. I highly doubt that's the case.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-30 21:41:53
Less than 100% certainty isn't proof the opposite is true or that the doubt is considerable, regardless of what you're talking about. It's the same reason nobody is 100% responsible for a car crash and substances aren't 100% pure. 24 carat gold 99.98% pure, does that mean it isn't gold?
I get what you're saying, but that's a terrible analogy....
VIP
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-30 21:43:56
95% is the standard and is referenced in the latest IPCC report. On my phone but I can quote that later, if you'd like.
And, no, King. That's not how it works.
95% is the standard for a lot of experiments, but Floppy seemed to be referencing the entirety of anthropomorphic climate change research as if it were a single hypothesis with 95% confidence. I highly doubt that's the case.
No, only about 70% claim relative certainty, another 25% or so claim is very probable. Only 3-5% claim it's not probable. But, just because someone is sure about something doesn't make it true, either way.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-30 21:59:17
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Asura.Floppyseconds said: »It is silly to take a 95% certainty about obvious environmental conditions around you and demand it is 100%.
95% certainty? Don't be throwing around random percentages, I'll call you on it every time.
95% is the standard and is referenced in the latest IPCC report.
Read my last post on the matter. I think Pleebo knows what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure anyone else does.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-30 22:04:12
Less than 100% certainty isn't proof the opposite is true or that the doubt is considerable, regardless of what you're talking about. It's the same reason nobody is 100% responsible for a car crash and substances aren't 100% pure. 24 carat gold 99.98% pure, does that mean it isn't gold?
I get what you're saying, but that's a terrible analogy....
Do you have a better one? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just curious what would be a better analogy.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-08-30 22:07:39
Less than 100% certainty isn't proof the opposite is true or that the doubt is considerable, regardless of what you're talking about. It's the same reason nobody is 100% responsible for a car crash and substances aren't 100% pure. 24 carat gold 99.98% pure, does that mean it isn't gold?
I get what you're saying, but that's a terrible analogy....
Do you have a better one? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm just curious what would be a better analogy.
Not off the top of my head. Don't mind me though, I'm just a snob when it comes to this kind of stuff.
By Bloodrose 2015-08-30 22:09:27
Sometimes, even a terrible analogy is still the best one suited for the task at hand... so long as it gets the point across.
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VIP
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-08-30 22:12:02
Sometimes, even a terrible analogy is still the best one suited for the task at hand... so long as it gets the point across.
Yeah, I struggled to come up with a way to demonstrate things that people cannot demand 100% certainty on without going into some big diatribe about margins of error and data correction, especially since my understanding of research methodology is pretty limited.
By Bloodrose 2015-08-30 22:29:28
Politics is a terrible analogy for politics.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-08-30 23:00:12
Can you see Russia from the summit?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-08-30 23:14:01
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Maybe you should actually listen to what he is saying once. I think you will find that you agree with a lot of his very moderate economic policies, unless of course for some reason Illegal Immigration is your #1 issue.
When you buy eggs, you check to make sure none are broken, right? Would you look and see a broken egg, decide the 11 others aren't half bad, and buy it anyway? Reverse the scenario and 11 eggs are bad, that's Trump.
Cool story, Aesop.
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By Siren.Noxzema 2015-08-31 01:06:46
So... Kanye announced that he's going to run for President in 2020.
http://www.3news.co.nz/entertainment/kanye-wests-epic-2015-vmas-speech-2015083115?ref=fb#axzz3kMvedYnH
Quote: Kanye West delivered an epic speech at the 2015 MTV Video Music Awards today, announcing a presidential run in 2020, admitting to smoking cannabis and vowing to die for art.
He accepted the award from Taylor Swift, who he infamously interrupted in 2009 at the same award show, ruining her moment as she won Best Female Video for 'You Belong with Me'.
After taking more than a full minute of basking in applause from the audience at today's ceremony, West gave the following speech:
Bro! BRO! Listen to the kids! First of all, thank you, Taylor, for being so gracious and giving me this award this evening. I often think back to the first day I met you, also. You know, I think about that when I'm in the grocery store with my daughter and I have a really great conversation about pressed juice, and at the end, they say, 'Oh, you're not that bad, after all.' And when I go to a baseball game and 60,000 people boo me, it crosses my mind a little bit.
I think, if I had to do it all again, what would I have done? Would I have worn a leather shirt? Would I have drank a half a bottle of Hennessy and given the rest of it to the audience? If I had a daughter at that time, would I have went on stage and grabbed the mic from someone else's? You know, this arena tomorrow is going to be a completely different set-up. This stage will be gone. After that night, the stage is gone, but the effect that it had on people will remain.
The problem was the contradiction. The contradiction is that I do fight for artists, but in that fight, I somehow was disrespectful to artists. I didn't know how to say the right thing, the perfect thing. I sat at the Grammys and saw Justin Timberlake and Cee Lo lose.
I ain't trying to put you on blast, Justin, but I saw that man in tears, though. I thought, "He deserved to win Album of the Year." And in the small box that we are, as the entertainers of the evening, how do you explain that?
Sometimes, I feel like I died for the artist's opinion, for the artist to have an opinion after they were successful. I'm not no politician, bro! … And do you know how many times MTV ran that footage, because it got them more ratings?
LISTEN TO THE KIDS, BRO!
I still don't understand award shows. I don't understand how they get five people who work their entire lives … to come, stand on a carpet and, for the first time in their lives, be judged on a chopping block and have the opportunity to be considered a loser. I don't understand it, bruh! … I been conflicted, bro! I just wanted people to like me more.
BUT F**K THAT, BRO! 2015! I will die for the art, for what I believe it. And the art ain't always going to be polite. Y'all might be thinking right now, 'I wonder, did he smoke something before he came out here?' The answer is, 'Yes, I rolled a little something to knock the edge off.'
I don't know what's going to happen tonight. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, bro. But all I can say to my fellow artists: 'Just worry how you feel at the time, man. Just worry how you feel.'
I'm confident. I believe in myself. We the millennials, bro. This is a new mentality. We're not going to control our kids with brands. We're not going to teach low self-esteem and hate to our kids. We're going to teach our kids that they can be something … to believe in themselves.
If my grandfather was here right now, he would not let me back down. I don't know what I'm going to lose after this. It don't matter, though, because it ain't about me, bro! It's about ideas!
And in 2020, I have decided to run for president.
Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/entertainment/kanye-wests-epic-2015-vmas-speech-2015083115#ixzz3kN0hgEIv
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Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-08-31 02:05:57
Why do they call it an epic speech? That's barely a rambling with neither head nor tail..
People are impressed too easily.
By Aelius 2015-08-31 02:27:43
There is nothing epic in politics. Not even close.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-08-31 02:55:27
Well the U.S. isn't the only place facing problems with migration.
Quote: European Union ministers were summoned on Sunday to meet in two weeks' time to seek urgent solutions to a migration crisis unprecedented in the bloc's history, as the mounting death toll on land and sea forced governments to respond.
Luxembourg, which holds the rotating EU presidency, called interior ministers from all 28 member states to an extraordinary meeting on Sept. 14, saying: "The situation of migration phenomena outside and inside the European Union has recently taken unprecedented proportions."
Chancellor Angela Merkel earlier called on her EU neighbours to do more as Germany expects the number of asylum seekers it receives to quadruple to about 800,000 in 2015.
"If Europe has solidarity and we have also shown solidarity
towards others, then we need to show solidarity now," she told
reporters in Berlin. "Everything must move quickly."
Luxembourg said the meeting would focus on policies on sending some migrants home and measures to prevent human trafficking.
Seven people died when their boat sank off Libya's coast on Sunday, the second such fatal accident at sea within days. The Italian coastguard said some 1,600 migrants had been rescued in the Mediterranean and brought to Italy over the weekend.
At least 2,500 migrants have died since January, most of them drowning in the Mediterranean after arduous journeys fleeing war, oppression or poverty in Syria and other parts of the Middle East and Africa or beyond.
The horrors faced by migrants were brought to the heart of the European mainland on Friday when 71 bodies, including those of a baby girl and three other children were found in an abandoned refrigeration truck in Austria.
The dead, believed to be refugees from Syria or
possibly Afghanistan, had been packed into the truck with just 1 square metre (10 sq ft) of space per five people, police said on Sunday, as initial forensic tests indicated they had suffocated.
Hungarian police arrested a fifth suspect, a Bulgarian citizen, in connection with the deaths. Three Bulgarians and one Afghan had already been arrested.
BORDERLESS SYSTEM
Criticism of Europe's disparate laws and approaches to dealing with asylum seekers has mounted.
Some governments have refused to take in refugees and resisted EU proposals to agree on a common plan. Others are toughening their asylum policies and border security, sometimes because of rising anti-immigration and nationalist sentiment.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius accused eastern European states, notably Hungary, which is building a fence against migrants along its border, of a "scandalous" policy.
"They are extremely harsh. Hungary is part of Europe, which has values and we do not respect those value by putting up fences," Fabius told Europe 1 radio.
But British interior minister Theresa May blamed Europe's borderless system, known as "Schengen", for fuelling the crisis and demanded tighter EU rules on free movement.
"When it was first enshrined, free movement meant the freedom to move to a job, not the freedom to cross borders to look for work or claim benefits," May said. "We must take some big decisions, face down powerful interests and reinstate the original principle."
Some European governments are considering amending the Schengen code, but the European Commission, the EU executive which enforces it, says there is no need to change the rules, either to improve security or control migration.
In Italy which as the entry point for many migrants has been at the forefront of the crisis, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi said the rising death toll would push EU states to confront the problem.
"It will take months, but we will have a single European policy on asylum, not as many policies as there are countries," he said. Unprecedented migrant crisis forces EU to seek answers
So far Hungary is building a wall and Serbia's solution:
Quote: A parliament-appointed rights official in Serbia has suggested that the country, blighted by years of depopulation, should ask migrants flooding through the Balkans from the Middle East to settle in hundreds of empty villages.
Birthrates in Serbia have been falling for decades and, coupled with the departure of thousands of young people in search of work in western Europe and North America, the population has fallen more than five percent since 2002.
Hundreds of villages are largely devoid of people.
“We should consider offering them (migrants) to stay in the parts of Serbia that are empty,” Brankica Jankovic, Serbia’s Commissioner for Protection of Equality, told B92 TV on Tuesday.
“A selection should be made, a detailed security screening.”
About 100,000 migrants, many of them from Syria and other conflict zones in the Middle East, have entered Serbia this year on their way through the western Balkans north to Hungary and Europe’s Schengen zone of passport-free travel.
Jankovic was chosen to run Serbia's human rights watchdog in May and had been proposed by the ruling coalition led by the conservative Progressive Party.
Her suggestion drew some criticism.
Jelena Milic, director of the Belgrade-based Centre for Euro-Atlantic Studies, said it amounted to “ethnic engineering”.
“Settling migrants in empty areas, even with their consent, is ridiculous,” Milic told Reuters.
“How they would integrate into society living in the parts of the country with no economy and no people?” Migrants may be answer to Serbian depopulation: government official
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-08-31 03:27:14
It's been like that for a very long time...I still remember a user here trying to belittle me saying "You're italian what do you know about immigration problems??" yeah, we happen to get hundreds of them everyday.
Things have gotten progressively worse lately, we aren't able to host them anymore, we're pretty much saturated. Riots and problems of racism are becoming more and more problematic, but even if you aren't racist you just can't support this situation. The rest of EU has closed borders which leaves only us and Greece dealing with it which is impossible. The only way to sustain this immense flow of people is to distribute them across the nations, we just don't have the space nor the resources for them and can't do much with France holding guns along the borders, Hungary building walls and Germany and UK saying deal with it we don't want them. Yeah..no one does, so what do we do, let them drown? Many of these people are war refugees from Africa and near east Asia and 30% of them die on those boats or trucks.
They have to be distributed, it's the only human, and sustainable solution. And maybe the UN has to do something about those wars too so they don't need to run away anymore...
Siren.Akson
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By Siren.Akson 2015-08-31 03:48:53
It's a worldwide global epidemic. Not just North America and Europe but everywhere in between as well. Idgaf bout this zhit tho... more saddened by all the good players we've lost or whom got banned. F the World. Don't ask me for....
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