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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 18:52:02
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats. Wait, 2 known major uncaring liars, a socialist, and 2 people nobody ever heard of, and now the Gaffe Man himself? And you think it's interesting now?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 18:54:33
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats. Wait, 2 known major uncaring liars, a socialist, and 2 people nobody ever heard of, and now the Gaffe Man himself? And you think it's interesting now? Who's the 2nd one?
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-09-17 19:00:30
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats.
As if it hasn't been interesting...
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-09-17 19:18:28
I am surprised how hysterically that picture made me laugh. Maybe I'm just giddy.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 20:16:25
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats. Wait, 2 known major uncaring liars, a socialist, and 2 people nobody ever heard of, and now the Gaffe Man himself? And you think it's interesting now? Who's the 2nd one? Warren. Don't forget guys, she's an American Indian .
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 20:17:39
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »I'd vote for Biden. You would vote for a slug if it was running as a democrat.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-09-17 21:25:21
If I were Biden I wouldn't care anymore given the amount of family tragedies he's had to stomach.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-09-17 21:26:59
If Biden runs, I'm waiting for Trump to make a comment about his dead son. You know it's gonna happen.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-09-17 23:04:29
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats. Wait, 2 known major uncaring liars, a socialist, and 2 people nobody ever heard of, and now the Gaffe Man himself? And you think it's interesting now? Who's the 2nd one? Warren. Don't forget guys, she's an American Indian . Oh she's not running.
I was looking at the official list and there are 5 so the numbers added up, lol. I was like, "Chafee, a know major uncaring liar too...? I don't know anything about that guy."
Democratic Party presidential candidates, 2016 + Biden would be six.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-17 23:06:48
And it finally gets interesting for the Democrats. Wait, 2 known major uncaring liars, a socialist, and 2 people nobody ever heard of, and now the Gaffe Man himself? And you think it's interesting now? Who's the 2nd one? Warren. Don't forget guys, she's an American Indian . Oh she's not running.
I was looking at the official list and there are 5 so the numbers added up, lol. I was like, "Chafee, a know major uncaring liar too...? I don't know anything about that guy."
Democratic Party presidential candidates, 2016 + Biden would be six. Oh, I thought she was, with so much media attached to her.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-09-18 00:58:21
Larry Lessig is the 6th, kinda.
By fonewear 2015-09-18 07:16:24
Someone say creepy joe biden ?
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By fonewear 2015-09-18 07:22:07
This is just perfect for P and R:
I always knew Doritos were gay here is the proof:
http://time.com/4038837/doritos-rainbow-chips-pride-lgbt/
By fonewear 2015-09-18 07:45:11
If Gay Doritos don't turn you on limiting free speech at college universities should !
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/11/university-of-california-considering-recognizing-a-right-to-be-free-from-expressions-of-intolerance/
Office of the President
TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION POLICY:
DISCUSSION ITEM
For Meeting of September 17, 2015
THE REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA’S STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLES AGAINST INTOLERANCE
BACKGROUND
The Regents are strongly committed to a University community that upholds the core principles of respect, inclusion, academic freedom, and the free and open exchange of ideas. Accordingly, as discussed at the July Regents meeting, a statement reflecting these principles has been developed and is outlined below for discussion.
Regents of the University of California’s Statement of Principles Against Intolerance
The University of California is committed to protecting its bedrock values of respect, inclusion, and academic freedom. Free expression and the open exchange of ideas — principles enshrined in our national and state Constitutions — are part of the University’s fiber. So, too, is tolerance, and University of California students, faculty, and staff must respect the dignity of each person within the UC community.
Intolerance has no place at the University of California. We define intolerance as unwelcome conduct motivated by discrimination against, or hatred toward, other individuals or groups. It may take the form of acts of violence or intimidation, threats, harassment, hate speech, derogatory language reflecting stereotypes or prejudice, or inflammatory or derogatory use of culturally recognized symbols of hate, prejudice, or discrimination.
Everyone in the University community has the right to study, teach, conduct research, and work free from acts and expressions of intolerance. The University will respond promptly and effectively to reports of intolerant behavior and treat them as opportunities to reinforce the University’s Principles Against Intolerance.
This statement of principles applies to attacks on individuals or groups and does not apply to the free exchange of ideas in keeping with the principles of academic freedom and free speech. This statement shall not be interpreted to prohibit conduct that is related to the course content, teaching methods, scholarship, or public commentary of an individual faculty member or the educational, political, artistic, or literary expression of students in classrooms and public forums that is protected by academic freedom or free speech principles. The statement is intended to reflect the principles of the Regents of the University of California and shall not be used as the basis to discipline students, faculty, or staff. Discipline is covered under existing policies including the following: Policies Applying to Campus Activities, Organizations and Students, 100.00: Policy on Student Conduct and Discipline, Personnel Policies for Staff Members pertaining to discipline and separation, or University Policy on Faculty Conduct and the Administration of Discipline (Academic Personnel Manual [APM]-016).
University leaders will take all appropriate steps to implement the principles.
Addendum
The following non-exhaustive list contains examples of behaviors that do not reflect the University’s values of inclusion and tolerance, as described in the Regents of the University of California’s Statement of Principles Against Intolerance.
* Vandalism and graffiti reflecting culturally recognized symbols of hate or prejudice. These include depictions of swastikas, nooses, and other symbols intended to intimidate, threaten, mock and/or harass individuals or groups.
* Questioning a student’s fitness for a leadership role or whether the student should be a member of the campus community on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, national origin, citizenship, sex, or sexual orientation.
* Depicting or articulating a view of ethnic or racial groups as less ambitious, less hardworking or talented, or more threatening than other groups.
* Depicting or articulating a view of people with disabilities (both visible and invisible) as incapable.
It's a lot of words to say we won't tolerate your intolerance ! It's wrong. Just wrong !
Basically you can do or say whatever you want long as it isn't offensive. Which basically means you have to be as politically correct as possible.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-09-18 07:53:59
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If Biden runs, I'm waiting for Trump to make a comment about his dead son. You know it's gonna happen.
That would be disgusting.
What will be equally disgusting is when Biden, Democrats, the media and their supporters bring up his death and his other family members' deaths at every oppurtunity to milk sympathy.
You'd never bring them up right?
By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 08:02:20
How silly. You can't make people stop thinking a way just because you ban them from speaking or expressing that view. All that does is force them to keep it to themselves and lash out later. Or post on internet message boards about how they're being unfairly persecuted for wanting to persecute others.
To eliminate a thing you can't make expression of the thing forbidden. All "outlawing" it does is make them feel validated as some sort of rebel or martyr for their *** up cause.
Depicting or articulating a view of people with disabilities (both visible and invisible) as incapable.
This is just kind of ludicrous though. I mean, no, you shouldn't deny anyone an opportunity based on their disability, but at the same time, a paraplegic person with zero motor activity below the waste is incapable of walking. That's not me "articulating a view," that's me stating that fact that, until medical science finds a way to help them, they are incapable of joining the track team.
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By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 08:04:26
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »What will be equally disgusting is when Biden, Democrats, the media and their supporters bring up his death and his other family members' deaths at every oppurtunity to milk sympathy.
I think there's room for it to be discussed in a non-pandering way regarding his ability to work through personal loss that has clearly affected him. It's actually a good thing to know about someone who could potentially be piloting this ship.
But you're right, someone -- probably many someones -- will take it beyond any reasonable measure and use it to play pandermonkey.
But that's hardly unique to either/any party.
By fonewear 2015-09-18 08:05:53
I remember first day of college it was basically the President of the university saying "be nice" "be tolerant" and it took him an hour. I've never rolled my eyes so hard in my life.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-09-18 08:06:29
Depicting or articulating a view of people with disabilities (both visible and invisible) as incapable.
This is just silly though. I mean, no, you shouldn't deny anyone an opportunity based on their disability, but at the same time, a paraplegic person with zero motor activity below the waste is incapable of walking. That's not be "articulating a view," that's me stating that fact that, until medical science finds a way to help them, they are incapable of joining the track team.
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By fonewear 2015-09-18 08:08:23
Schools have long been dictatorships though. This isn't anything new.
You can't truly express yourself on campus lest someone reports you for offending their feels.
Unless you all agree to hate the same thing. Then it's okay.
By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 08:08:28
Edit: I think the typo really sells this, for the record.
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By fonewear 2015-09-18 08:09:51
I never participated in anything controversial in college cause I didn't want the hassle of dealing with the *** that would result.
The closest I came to controversy is discussing abortion being the only guy in my class...that was interesting...
Being a man disqualified my opinion on the matter naturally.
By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 08:12:10
I never participated in anything controversial in college cause I didn't want the hassle of dealing with the *** that would result.
I, uh.
I never participated in anything controversial in a "freedom to gather and express opinion" sort of way.
I'm pretty sure some things I had a hand in were considered controversial in some fashion or another.
But I never really had the time to demonstrate. I had classes to go to, beer to drink, drums to play, and beer to drink.
By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 08:16:43
Being a man disqualified my opinion on the matter naturally.
Yeah. Being a journalism major put me in contact with a lot of women with strong opinions. Not all of them were fans of me.
Including the freshman(freshperson?) editor at the paper (and how she got THAT position I'm pretty sure involved another "position") who couldn't understand the OP-ED piece I wrote making fun of size 0 women's clothing and she refused to run it.
She couldn't, no matter how I tried to explain it to her, grasp the concept that I wasn't making fun of skinny people, I was making fun of the idiotic way that we size women's clothing.
So now that I think on it, I guess I did run into feels-based censorship.
But that's not really fair to say it was based on feels primarily; it was primarily because she was a myopic, hypocritical little ***.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-09-18 08:57:59
In stupid news:
Donald Trump criticised for not correcting 'Obama is Muslim' man
Quote: Donald Trump has been criticised for failing to correct a supporter who said US President Barack Obama was a Muslim and "not even an American".
The Republican sought to laugh off the comment, which was preceded by the supporter saying: "We have a problem in this country - it's called Muslims".
The comments were made at a campaign rally for Mr Trump in New Hampshire.
Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton said his failure to denounce "hateful rhetoric" was "disturbing and wrong".
Pointing to his first questioner at the campaign event in Rochester, the billionaire businessman said: "I like this guy."
"We have a problem in this country called Muslims," the man said. "We know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American."
"We need this question?" Mr Trump said, laughing.
"But anyway," the man continued, "we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That's my question: When can we get rid of them?"
Mr Trump failed to clarify that Mr Obama is a Christian American, instead replying that "bad things are happening" and saying he would look into them.
Mrs Clinton joined criticism of Mr Trump on social media, tweeting: "Donald Trump not denouncing false statements about POTUS & hateful rhetoric about Muslims is disturbing & just plain wrong. Cut it out."
In a statement, Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz said Mr Trump's "racism knows no bounds".
"This is certainly horrendous but unfortunately unsurprising given what we have seen already. The vile rhetoric coming from the GOP candidates is appalling," she added, calling on his rivals to denounce him.
Mr Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski sought to play down the incident, telling US media that "all he heard was a question about training camps".
"The media wants to make this issue about Obama. The bigger issue is that Obama is waging a war against Christians in this country," Mr Lewandowski told the Washington Post.
The incident evoked a moment during the 2008 campaign when Republican nominee John McCain took the microphone away from a woman who said she did not trust Mr Obama because he was "an Arab".
President Obama, who has spoken openly about his Christian faith, was born to an American mother and Kenyan father in Hawaii.
But Mr Trump has been one of the leading sceptics, challenging Mr Obama in 2011 to produce his birth certificate to disprove rumours that he was born in Kenya, which the president did.
With more than a year until polling day, the businessman is ahead of his Republican rivals in the polls despite having no political experience.
Seriously? Should we attack Clinton for not constantly denouncing hateful speech just because she hasn't this particular minute? How about Sanders? Obama himself?
This whole issue is stupid at best, and disturbing to say the least. I'm not a Trump fan at all, but why do people have to make ***up?
(Disclaimer: Yes, this could go to the Trump thread, but since Chanti loves to post Wonkette and HuffPost articles here, I have every right to post topics relating to Trump here too)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-09-18 09:19:56
In stupid news:
Donald Trump criticised for not correcting 'Obama is Muslim' man
Quote: Donald Trump has been criticised for failing to correct a supporter who said US President Barack Obama was a Muslim and "not even an American".
The Republican sought to laugh off the comment, which was preceded by the supporter saying: "We have a problem in this country - it's called Muslims".
The comments were made at a campaign rally for Mr Trump in New Hampshire.
Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton said his failure to denounce "hateful rhetoric" was "disturbing and wrong".
Pointing to his first questioner at the campaign event in Rochester, the billionaire businessman said: "I like this guy."
"We have a problem in this country called Muslims," the man said. "We know our current president is one. You know he's not even an American."
"We need this question?" Mr Trump said, laughing.
"But anyway," the man continued, "we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That's my question: When can we get rid of them?"
Mr Trump failed to clarify that Mr Obama is a Christian American, instead replying that "bad things are happening" and saying he would look into them.
Mrs Clinton joined criticism of Mr Trump on social media, tweeting: "Donald Trump not denouncing false statements about POTUS & hateful rhetoric about Muslims is disturbing & just plain wrong. Cut it out."
In a statement, Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz said Mr Trump's "racism knows no bounds".
"This is certainly horrendous but unfortunately unsurprising given what we have seen already. The vile rhetoric coming from the GOP candidates is appalling," she added, calling on his rivals to denounce him.
Mr Trump's campaign manager Corey Lewandowski sought to play down the incident, telling US media that "all he heard was a question about training camps".
"The media wants to make this issue about Obama. The bigger issue is that Obama is waging a war against Christians in this country," Mr Lewandowski told the Washington Post.
The incident evoked a moment during the 2008 campaign when Republican nominee John McCain took the microphone away from a woman who said she did not trust Mr Obama because he was "an Arab".
President Obama, who has spoken openly about his Christian faith, was born to an American mother and Kenyan father in Hawaii.
But Mr Trump has been one of the leading sceptics, challenging Mr Obama in 2011 to produce his birth certificate to disprove rumours that he was born in Kenya, which the president did.
With more than a year until polling day, the businessman is ahead of his Republican rivals in the polls despite having no political experience.
Seriously? Should we attack Clinton for not constantly denouncing hateful speech just because she hasn't this particular minute? How about Sanders? Obama himself?
This whole issue is stupid at best, and disturbing to say the least. I'm not a Trump fan at all, but why do people have to make ***up?
(Disclaimer: Yes, this could go to the Trump thread, but since Chanti loves to post Wonkette and HuffPost articles here, I have every right to post topics relating to Trump here too)
Yeah. This is grasping at straws at its finest. Where's the "fake scandal" crowd on this one? Hillary Clinton accepts donations from countries with terrible human rights violations and doesn't say a peep, but gets mad when Trump doesn't correct a guy who clearly has some screws loose? Pathetic.
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By Ramyrez 2015-09-18 09:22:36
Seriously? Should we attack Clinton for not constantly denouncing hateful speech just because she hasn't this particular minute? How about Sanders? Obama himself?
I think the media just want him to reply to whatever they say. The more he speaks, the more they sell.
This, more or less.
At some point I think they realize that whether he wins or loses, he's a guy who likes attention and one way or another he's going to keep them chock full o' all the stories they want.
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