Little Facts To Help You Suck Less

I've found holy waters to be so unreliable that its worth the extra gil to just get hallowed water. much much higher success rate. Died twice to doom spamming holy water the whole time in yorcia, made the switch, never going back.

Hollowed Water is indeed the best option, yet it's hard enough to convince people to even use Holy Water - let alone popping a 10k per piece consumable.

It's rarely on ah at all on my server lol.

Hallowed Water
Main Craft: Alchemy - (51)
Key Item: Alchemic Purification

Light Crystal
Distilled Water
Fire Anima
Ice Anima
Light Anima

Main Craft: Alchemy - (75)
Key Item: Anima Synthesis

Fire Anima
Fire Crystal
Burning Memory x4
Mercury
Rock Salt
Sulfur

Ice Anima
Main Craft: Alchemy - (75)
Key Item: Anima Synthesis

Ice Crystal
Bitter Memory x4
Mercury
Rock Salt
Sulfur

Light Anima
Main Craft: Alchemy - (75)
Key Item: Anima Synthesis

Light Crystal
Radiant Memory x4
Mercury
Rock Salt
Sulfur

Technically they aren't hard to make, anyone with 70 Alchemy can do it. You just have to get off your *** and get the KI's. Both KI's are only 10,000 GP and can be purchased with 70 Alchemy.

If you can't find the memories on the AH you can make those pretty reliably, as well. just get Advanced Support and the artificer's ring and you should be fine. You won't really HQ them, but at least you can make them. If you wanted to be truly boss about it you could farm and alchemist's torque, too. XD

The biggest hurdle is actually the Anima ingredients (Memories) because no one spends any significant time in Promyvion anymore.

Not like they are hard to farm anymore for someone who actually wanted to make them though. Promy isn't even level capped any more.

spending hours farming mats for hallowed water when you'll win the event as easily with holy water doesn't sound like sucking less to me

You can't win the parse if you're dead. Don't make poor decisions.

Hybrid DT sets exist for a reason. Thaumas Coat isn't the only body piece that Mnk/Dnc/Thf can wear. Your Whm will thank you, or at least try to refrain from cursing your existence.

Pretty much what Lyncath said regarding Rune Fencers. It takes absolutely top-notch gear for Run's damage mitigation to even begin to compete with Pld's on 119 content. Similarly, on anything that can land hits > 50% of the time and inflicts more than 200 hp of damage per round, /nin is the only thing you should be subbing.

Related to the above, damage mitigated through avoidance rather than reduction is still mitigated. Pld is certainly less work for the person playing it, but Rune Fencer can tank the same content with sufficient gear and skill. Popular opinions don't remain popular forever.

Mages have access to a spell called Aquaveil.

Don't cast Refresh I on yourself if you have a Rdm in your party.

Don't cast Haste I on yourself or anyone else if you have a Rdm in your alliance.

Don't use sublimation from /sch if you have a Rdm in your party.

Cor/rdm. No.

COR/RDM is fine for Flurry 1 if you're doing a RNG strat and don't have a RDM.

I think getting refresh2 or using sublimation is probably quite situation dependant.

Refresh 2 is not better than sublimation if you're near full mp all of the time and the refresh is recovering nothing. In some situations you might be pretty idle and not doing much curing unless something suddenly goes wrong. At that point it might be more beneficial to use sublimation and get an immediate ~ 300-400 mp when you're low than to get a refresh that regenerates nothing for the whole fight and get 6mp (or however much it is) a tick when you're sitting on close to no mp.

Sublimation is also a good tool for a dot on yourself to avoid sleep.

Top tip for playing support is to communicate.

Ffs, rdm is an excellent sub option for cor if you're shooting and a main rdm isn't present.

Exactly which mage job can't /RDM in RNG strat lol. BRD can /RDM, WHM can /RDM, GEO SCH can all do it.

This thread started with such good intentions.

You're sure bringing a lot of people there.

It's an option, why is it so hard to understand? People play with a great variety of job combinations, not everyone's gonna bring the perfect setup. Adapt to what you got, rdm is a great option when necessary.

Ignore malicious comments, move on constructively :)

Optimally though,you should have a RDM if you are using RNG's. If not, you can just have the rotating BRD come /RDM and Flurry I the RNG's in turn.

No one said that, it's just been repeated over and over that rdm should never be subed. That's misinformation, it has value in the right circumstance.

This is a tip for sucking less: there is no 1 sub for any job, all have a number of good options that should be considered based on the situation at hand.

/rdm is still a fantastic sub for a lot of mages, just usually not as optimal as /sch, so most people put on blinders and only follow the bandwagon rule.

I didn't say "don't /RDM if nobody else can do it" nor "perfect setup only". I was pointing out the flaw in the above statement. You said "it's an excellent sub if shooting and no RDM main in pt", but the correct way to phrase it was "it's an excellent sub if no one else can flurry 1/2".

Maybe you should chose your words better too

You missed the 2nd half of sentence:

I said "/RDM on COR is beyond lol. WHM and BRD can do it, or get a real RDM. It's not a good excuse at all."

This was replying the above post, who claimed COR /ra will pull hate because /DRG isn't an option and /RDM is the way to go. Unless you're pt with mages that don't have flurry, BRD and WHM gets higher priority to /RDM.

/RDM isn't bad for WHM at all(I'd say it's even better SJ than /SCH in RNG setup). WHM can distract, self-refresh, dispel with /RDM.


If you didn't ignore the 2nd half the sentence, I believe the above statement isn't incorrect.

Tip Number 49 on sucking less:

Play to a style that fits the situation - Even if it means subbing a job combination that you need to practice getting used to.

Additionally, I've played with Corsairs that DD and WS without the need for /DRG, without pulling hate.

/DRG is not necessary in the slightest, so using /RDM is fine.

Tip number 50 on sucking less:

Parses can not be relied upon for telling you everything about a situation - They are designed to tell you who was most aggressive, but can be used as a starting point to see what needs to be changed, to perform better.

If your corsair is beating rangers on parses, those rangers REALLY *** suck hardcore, and need to re-evaluate their gear choices and aggressive stance during events.

Also, they need to use proper ilvl bullets or arrows - the highest they have access to, and merit the ***out of their most used combat skill, if they haven't.

You CAN avoid pulling hate without /DRG, if you don't DD :D. But you either have to do event that kills the NM fast enough, or hold back on dmg, or stuck even more enmity- in gears and lose dmg.

/DRG just allows the COR push further with output, with additional attack bonus and acc bonus. Saying "you're fine without subbing DRG" is the same as saying "MNK is fine subbing RUN in tojil". Of course you can do it, it's just not as optimal.

Oh and btw, if I'm not pulling hate without subbing DRG, I'm probably subbing WAR(for last stand) or BLM(if using magical WS).

It's not like Flurry II is the only thing a RDM has that's useful. Haste II allows melees to cap magic haste with 1 March. Which gives the BRD 1 more song option free. Distract II/Dia III together cripple mobs a lot more efficiently than Dia II/Distract.

A good RDM can also enfeeble bosses very nicely, and help the WHM back-up cure, as needed.

Refresh II is never a bad thing to have in the tank PT, if your WHM is stubborn and wants his Sublimation, w/e, It's still very useful on the PLD. as well as Haste II.

A good RDM was still useful to a PT setup before this update. Just nothing really outstanding, just subtle niceties.

But now with the new spells. If organized properly, it rounds out PT setups very nicely. Almost too nice not to have.

So, idk why people are still looking for reasons NOT to have RDM. =/

Seha is just stubborn and wouldn't admit she's wrong :(

It is optimal if the fight is short(and thus the rest of the group is optimal too). See, if you wanna talk optimal your idea of drg is bad too. It's not the end all subs, it's one of the many.

Done Kamhir and Marjami with rng strats and didn't sub drg, still parsed good and didn't pull hate.

Drg is just a safety net, cause if for some reason things go bad and the fight starts to draw out longer it still allows to never pull hate.

What kind of derpy-*** corsair do you have to be, to require the use of /DRG to not pull hate, or to have to not DD to not pull hate without the use of /DRG?

And no, it's not even remotely close to the same thing. Only an idiot would believe such ***, let alone try to place such words in another's mouth. And only people who SUCK do that.

Never said this, but people play what they have, and pretty much all content can be cleared with all combinations. A sub should always be chosen based on the moment, it's not an absolute.


His post had nothing to do with what I said, don't pull a strawman.

Fine fine, you don't pull hate while doing dmg, you're the best. I still see no reason to /RDM.

Good job at joining the conversation, advocating wrong SJ and missing the point though. Perhaps next time you can teach me how to DD on this job, because I don't know how :D


Fine, don't sub DRG, sub something that do more dmg than /RDM. Like WAR or BLM.

If you want to advocate X sub is optimal, at least advocate it with reasons.

FYI I didn't say /DRG is the end of all most optimal SJ ever either, I only said it's the most useful to solve hate issue. And /RDM is less relevant cuz mages can do it. If you're not pulling hate /WAR or /BLM is probably more optimal.

And you accuse others of not reading. What a joke. I never said rdm is the best.