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Leviathan.Redherring
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-08-02 10:10:42
I went to a new jersey public school Made me chuckle that this is a justification lol. Is NJ really so bad as everyone says?
Like a lot of the states it really depends on where you are. If you are in Camden, its aweful. If you are in the country or the hills it's nice.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-08-02 10:12:00
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
Governments of this planet today are corrupt as h***. I wouldn't trust most anything said by a top government today. So why on earth would i trust what a group of the top governments in the UN would say? - [Ppl on this site love to talk about media/government/political propaganda or biasness from all angles. With the exception of the BBC, ive heard every form of everything listed as biased/propaganda from someone here. Which makes me wonder why ppl would have faith in reports from a collection of governments in the UN.]
AJC - by its very name; An american religious group involved with politic/policy.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 10:13:42
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
Governments of this planet today are corrupt as h***. I wouldn't trust most anything said by a top government today. So why on earth would i trust what a group of the top governments in the UN would say? - [Ppl on this site love to talk about media/government/political propaganda or biasness from all angles. With the exception of the BBC, ive heard every form of everything listed as biased/propaganda from someone here. Which makes me wonder why ppl would have faith in reports from a collection of governments in the UN.]
AJC - by its very name; An american religious group involved with politic/policy.
So everyone is corrupt but Israel that are poor victim just defending themselve ? Did I get that right?
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-08-02 10:15:27
I went to a new jersey public school Made me chuckle that this is a justification lol. Is NJ really so bad as everyone says?
Short and simple... Yes.
You gotta love the 'history' they teach. Things like the American civil war was ONLY about slavery and absolutely nothing else. - Things like England, France, and the USA were the only [good guys] to fight in WW2. Of course everyone else was defeated, so America saved the world. - Never even brought up things like the war of 1812, Korean war, Vietnam, desert storm. Need i go on?
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-08-02 10:16:58
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
Governments of this planet today are corrupt as h***. I wouldn't trust most anything said by a top government today. So why on earth would i trust what a group of the top governments in the UN would say? - [Ppl on this site love to talk about media/government/political propaganda or biasness from all angles. With the exception of the BBC, ive heard every form of everything listed as biased/propaganda from someone here. Which makes me wonder why ppl would have faith in reports from a collection of governments in the UN.]
AJC - by its very name; An american religious group involved with politic/policy.
So everyone is corrupt but Israel that are poor victim just defending themselve ? Did I get that right?
I have no doubt they have there line of bull as well. But the fact that they have been attacked repeatedly since there inception is a fact. The fact that there neighbors want to annihilate them is a fact.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-08-02 10:19:16
I gotta see about shutting the power off here for a bit, so ill be back to play with u kiddies later :D
By fonewear 2014-08-02 10:23:50
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
This UN you speak I've never heard of them.
Did you went to a NJ school too :( ?
Nope.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 10:24:36
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
Governments of this planet today are corrupt as h***. I wouldn't trust most anything said by a top government today. So why on earth would i trust what a group of the top governments in the UN would say? - [Ppl on this site love to talk about media/government/political propaganda or biasness from all angles. With the exception of the BBC, ive heard every form of everything listed as biased/propaganda from someone here. Which makes me wonder why ppl would have faith in reports from a collection of governments in the UN.]
AJC - by its very name; An american religious group involved with politic/policy.
So everyone is corrupt but Israel that are poor victim just defending themselve ? Did I get that right?
I have no doubt they have there line of bull as well. But the fact that they have been attacked repeatedly since there inception is a fact. The fact that there neighbors want to annihilate them is a fact.
You mean those neighbors they created themselve like the current ISIS leader in Syria/Iraq according to snowden?Or is snowden corrupt too ?
So in 30 years when those terrorist will attack Israel after they are done killing each other in Iraq/Syria, Will we agree with Israel killing thei civilian too to defend themselve ?
Remove the blockade, let Palestinian buy home/land in jewish land if they can afford it; that is the only way to have peace; descimination based on nationality/skin color/religion never worked.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-08-02 10:27:22
bah.. ment
1. Israel is not fighting right now to gain more land. They are fighting for survival.
The bolded part is correct, but we're not just talking about "right now".
i am'
Edit: im not going to atk or defend actions in there history. I went to a new jersey public school.. we didnt learn about things like that. So im not going to rant on about something i know that i have no main knowledge about. - Everything ive said is pertaining to right now.
If that's the case then there's no real point to jump in and defend for Israel without fully understand what happened the past. You'll only going to receive comment like "you're stupid" or "you're ignorant".
"Right now" Israel is defending for themselves yes, but it's just the result of chains of event and their actions in the past. Your comment will only be biased without fully understand everything.
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By fonewear 2014-08-02 10:30:04
bah.. ment
1. Israel is not fighting right now to gain more land. They are fighting for survival.
The bolded part is correct, but we're not just talking about "right now".
i am'
Edit: im not going to atk or defend actions in there history. I went to a new jersey public school.. we didnt learn about things like that. So im not going to rant on about something i know that i have no main knowledge about. - Everything ive said is pertaining to right now.
If that's the case then there's no real point to jump in and defend for Israel without fully understand what happened the past. You'll only going to receive comment like "you're stupid" or "you're ignorant".
"Right now" Israel is defending for themselves yes, but it's just the result of chains of event and their actions in the past. Your comment will only be biased without fully understand everything.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-02 10:34:30
I went to a new jersey public school Made me chuckle that this is a justification lol. Is NJ really so bad as everyone says? It's worse.
Reading this thread is worse than doing homework. Homework is fun compared to arguing in this thread.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-02 10:35:41
Leviathan.Redherring said: » I went to a new jersey public school Made me chuckle that this is a justification lol. Is NJ really so bad as everyone says?
Like a lot of the states it really depends on where you are. If you are in Camden, its awful. If you are in NJ it's still awful. ftfy.
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By fonewear 2014-08-02 10:39:07
Before it happens 78 pages and ignorance is bliss !
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By Asura.Cicion 2014-08-02 10:54:41
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By fonewear 2014-08-02 10:56:44
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Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 11:48:34
Carefull Cicion you're going to be called anti-semitic with your propaganda.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-02 11:53:44
The only state run propaganda news allowed here is the BBC and NPR.
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By Blazed1979 2014-08-02 11:58:08
What about the 2009 UN report ?
Also do you know what the American Jewish Congress is ?
Governments of this planet today are corrupt as h***. I wouldn't trust most anything said by a top government today. So why on earth would i trust what a group of the top governments in the UN would say? - [Ppl on this site love to talk about media/government/political propaganda or biasness from all angles. With the exception of the BBC, ive heard every form of everything listed as biased/propaganda from someone here. Which makes me wonder why ppl would have faith in reports from a collection of governments in the UN.]
AJC - by its very name; An american religious group involved with politic/policy.
-I don't know what warped reality you are currently in but Israel is not fighting for its survival.
-Israel outguns EVERY single country within the region and is one the world's strongest militaries thanks to the US.
-It has won every single war.
-It has killed 100 times as many civilians as it has combatants.
-It has a Nuclear warhead pointed at EVERY single Arab county's capital.
In what world is Israel fighting for its survival? Are you really that *** out of touch with reality?
You have, AT THIS VERY *** MOMENT, every news channel reporting HUGE civilian life loss on the Palestinian side, with more or less ZERO casualties on the Israeli civilian side.
The ignorance of some people is dumbfounding!
You have no PLACE saying anything on this topic until you become educated and aware about it. Stfu
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-02 12:00:40
Israeli's air force is larger than Britain's and has the 4th largest army in the world.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 12:08:30
Only putin can save us now :(
By Blazed1979 2014-08-02 12:12:08
i cant rly blame israel. They've been targets/attacked since they were founded in 48. Theyve had what, 10+ wars already plus countless 'events' or 'skirmishes'. Constant missile attacks. Areas running bomb shelter drills all the time, not for random practice or statistic upkeep like school in America, but because there is absolutely no doubt that they will be using them soon, and often. Neighbors on all sides that not only want them dead, but are more then willing to make it happen... You can only live like that for so long before being fed up with it and doing something about it. - Unfortunately, the hatred from Arab side is far to deep (probably from Israels side by now too.) You cant get through with logic or empathy with ppl like that. You know peace talks wont work. They haven't come close to working... ever. It rly seems to leave two options. An eternal ongoing conflict that never ends. Or one side wins. Both options kinda suck, no doubt (in a every life matters type of way.) Eternal conflict is just that. Ppl continue dieing over this for ever. Or it ends, by one side being wiped out. There rly is no good alternative (that can actually work.) And when one side is putting there military capabilities in civilian structures, and using civilians basically as human shields (or just killing them themselves)... i know what side my vote would be on for annihilation :/
Can't blame Israel anymore than you could blame the european colonists that killed millions of Native Americans.
The only thing that seems to be understood is force. Should a superior military power ever rise and invade the US, colonize it, I hope someone tells your grandchildren they can't blame them for the atrocities they suffer.
The level of ignorance in that statement is astounding. Its not even close. They invaded for the sake of personal gain. Israels actions are to protect themselves from ppl that are trying to annihilate them.
Your level of ignorance is actually further demonstrated by this. They are one and the same.
1. Did European come to a land and claim land in both cases?
Yes
2. Did they displace the natural inhabitants?
Yes
3. Did the natural inhabitants rebel?
Yes
4. Did the natural inhabitants loose and suffer millions of deaths and casualties?
Yes.
No.
1. Israel is fighting right now to gain more land. They are fighting for survival.
2. Its war. Of course ppl are going to die. It might suck, but thats what happens in war.
3. The 'Natural inhabitants' arnt rebelling against Israel, they are trying to annihilate it because they believe in something different.
4. See #2.
Did you read this ? Heanry Siegman was the Executive Director of the American Jewish Congress (1978–1994) disagree with you and so does the 2009 UN report about the previous mass murder in Gaza.
http://m.democracynow.org/stories/14539
Just because he is Jewish doesn't make his opinion more relevant then anyone elses. The same reason when blazed said Can't blame Israel anymore than you could blame the european colonists that killed millions of Native Americans. i didn't bother mentioning that i am of Native American blood. That fact alone does not make my opinion more valid then others.
Tho i do agree with him in many aspects. The deaths of the civilians is tragic. It would be great if no civilian casualties existed. But its something that is hard to do in modern warfare. Especially when ppl are hiding/storing there rockets and weapons next to or inside civilian structures. What is Israel supposed to do to neutralize that threat? If hiding them near civilian structures means Israel shouldn't atk, then that's just giving there enemy a free pass to atk without reprisal. And then they will start putting even more weaponry at civilian locations.
I don't like any of it, but choices are limited.
He's not relevant JUST because he is Jewish, he is relevant because, according to second line in the Article Ccl posted, He,
"...Siegman served as executive director of the American Jewish Congress, long described as one of the nation’s "big three" Jewish organizations along with the American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League.."
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-02 12:15:50
Only putin can save us now :( Our glorious leader.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 12:16:16
Yup fixed flag!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-02 12:27:19
I wish Zangief was as cute as Miria, I'd change avatar.
By Blazed1979 2014-08-02 12:27:30
You would be surprised just how important Russia is becoming.
Many alienated people and nations across the world see Russia as a counter-weight to the US's hegemony. That number is growing, not decreasing. A complete inverse situation of the cold war.
Its strange that the US chooses to part with international popular opinion so openly now and doesn't seem to give a flying f_ck about what its allies think by "keeping it real".
Israel is a prime example.
I wonder what it would take to reverse the world's opinion at this point?
Must kinda suck for the US - they have to maintain their military superiority ultimately and indefinitely...because Lord knows there are a lot of people on this planet that would love to just ignore them and tell them to keep to their part of the world, at the very least.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-02 12:34:48
It would be nigh impossible to reverse the general opinion.
Very few people remember the situation US was in back in the WWII days. We're taught WWII and older events but we're also taught the cold war, and everything related to it, then the gulf war, Vietnam and so on. It's very hard to finish your scholarship (18yo) and not see the US as the nowadays bully.
Take people around my age. We were born in a world bullied by the US, the 90's then were the exact same monopoly, then the 2000's, and now the 10's have just ended their 20+ years of bullying the same area. A whole generation, my generation, is absolutely unable to see the US in the same light as they were seen back in the 40s.
Remember the "living long enough to become the villain" line? That's pretty close to US's situation, but it's been like that for a couple decades now.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-02 12:38:40
You would be surprised just how important Russia is becoming.
Many alienated people and nations across the world see Russia as a counter-weight to the US's hegemony. That number is growing, not decreasing. A complete inverse situation of the cold war.
Its strange that the US chooses to part with international popular opinion so openly now and doesn't seem to give a flying f_ck about what its allies think by "keeping it real".
Israel is a prime example.
I wonder what it would take to reverse the world's opinion at this point?
Must kinda suck for the US - they have to maintain their military superiority ultimately and indefinitely...because Lord knows there are a lot of people on this planet that would love to just ignore them and tell them to keep to their part of the world, at the very least.
This isn't very hard, we are happy to do it, and we are light years ahead of your "savior."
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-02 12:40:25
You would be surprised just how important Russia is becoming.
Many alienated people and nations across the world see Russia as a counter-weight to the US's hegemony. That number is growing, not decreasing. A complete inverse situation of the cold war.
Its strange that the US chooses to part with international popular opinion so openly now and doesn't seem to give a flying f_ck about what its allies think by "keeping it real".
Israel is a prime example.
I wonder what it would take to reverse the world's opinion at this point?
Must kinda suck for the US - they have to maintain their military superiority ultimately and indefinitely...because Lord knows there are a lot of people on this planet that would love to just ignore them and tell them to keep to their part of the world, at the very least.
This isn't very hard, we are happy to do it, and we are light years ahead of your "savior." Just like the race to the Moon.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-02 12:40:57
You would be surprised just how important Russia is becoming.
Many alienated people and nations across the world see Russia as a counter-weight to the US's hegemony. That number is growing, not decreasing. A complete inverse situation of the cold war.
Its strange that the US chooses to part with international popular opinion so openly now and doesn't seem to give a flying f_ck about what its allies think by "keeping it real".
Israel is a prime example.
I wonder what it would take to reverse the world's opinion at this point?
Must kinda suck for the US - they have to maintain their military superiority ultimately and indefinitely...because Lord knows there are a lot of people on this planet that would love to just ignore them and tell them to keep to their part of the world, at the very least.
This isn't very hard, we are happy to do it, and we are light years ahead of your "savior."
Is that why you didn't attack Syria to save the day when Putin said not to do it?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-02 12:45:12
We didn't attack Syria because the American public said not to do it, we are more than happy to just ignore them and let them kill each other, whats the death toll at now? Some irrelevant number? The world doesn't care, no one has gone to the aid of Syria.
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