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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-13 18:41:18
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee.
The oil part is correct, it's been a war for resources forever, however last I checked, Iraq isn't a major oil exporter, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait were.
If we wanted peace in the Middle East, then you need to rewind a long *** time and figure out a way to prevent the crusades. A lot of this ***was ended, however anyone who has their thumb up their *** just wants to blame the US for everything.
If you could get those radical idiots out then by all means do so. Don't call us a bunch of yankees or derogatory terms, because there's a lot I could call you and get banned for you ignorant ***.
How many Muslim nations have attacked the US?
How many muslim nations has the US attacked?
Simple
and simpler:
How many nations have attacked the US?
How many Nations has the US attacked?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-13 18:47:55
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they stole their land?
Muslims, Jews, and Christians have been at war since they originated. Do you think this is a new thing since the state of Israel?
Also... I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on the middle east, but religious radicals have been employing terroristic methodology since the end of the Arabic empires over a thousand years ago.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-13 18:57:49
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they stole their land?
Muslims, Jews, and Christians have been at war since they originated. Do you think this is a new thing since the state of Israel?
Also... I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on the middle east, but religious radicals have been employing terroristic methodology since the end of the Arabic empires over a thousand years ago.
So don't assert things if you have no clue as to what you're talking about. So what if there was terrorism being deployed before? How the hell is that relevant to today?
Do you know how insane you sound due to your level of ignorance? Its like an Asian saying the USA has been a terrorist state ever since the 1700's. They blew up british ships didn't they? Those acts weren't carried out during war.. they were terrorists acts.
What about the more recent Israeli terrorists acts against the US military, that occured this century? The blowing up of a US Navy ship by the Israelis... look it up..
But hey, all of this is just random *** facts i'm throwing back at you because they are absolutely irrelevant as is the mentioning of some fairy tale legend about people being exiled from their land 2,000 years ago to justify the killing of children and innocent people today...
what the *** are you smoking
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 18:59:57
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they were given the land they were nomads on? ftfy and waaay before
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:03:53
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they stole their land?
Muslims, Jews, and Christians have been at war since they originated. Do you think this is a new thing since the state of Israel?
Also... I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on the middle east, but religious radicals have been employing terroristic methodology since the end of the Arabic empires over a thousand years ago. So don't assert things if you have no clue as to what you're talking about. So what if there was terrorism being deployed before? How the hell is that relevant to today?
Do you know how insane you sound due to your level of ignorance? Its like an Asian saying the USA has been a terrorist state ever since the 1700's. They blew up british ships didn't they? Those acts weren't carried out during war.. they were terrorists acts.
What about the more recent Israeli terrorists acts against the US military, that occured this century? The blowing up of a US Navy ship by the Israelis... look it up..
But hey, all of this is just random *** facts i'm throwing back at you because they are absolutely irrelevant as is the mentioning of some fairy tale legend about people being exiled from their land 2,000 years ago to justify the killing of children and innocent people today...
what the *** are you smoking Nobody is using them being given their land back as a justification for killing anyone, nor does it need to be: the actions of the radicals are all the justification they need to level the strip to the ground, yet they still try to work with these ***, for what reason I cannot fathom, their generosity is too much.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-13 19:05:10
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they were given the land they were nomads on? ftfy and waaay before
Do you even know what a nomad is?
oh these sure do look like nomads to me,not.
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And even if the land was occupied only by nomads, its still their *** land. You just show your imperial programming and inability to accept other people's cultures even when they are thousands of miles away from you. No no the entire world should live by your standards. Get a student loan, a mortage, work 9-5, drink beer with your buddies after work and watch the game..
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:13:50
It wasn't their land, it belonged to the UK, and they could do with it as they pleased, they decided to give it to the Jews, ergo now it's the Jew's land. Also: lol that shows how much you know about me or "my standards" but go on being a ridiculous twatwaffle.
Hint: I really don't give a ***about anyone's culture, it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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By Cerberus.Stereo 2014-09-13 19:16:11
It wasn't their land, it belonged to the UK, and they could do with it as they pleased, they decided to give it to the Jews, ergo now it's the Jew's land. Also: lol that shows how much you know about me or "my standards" but go on being a ridiculous twatwaffle.
Hint: I really don't give a ***about anyone's culture, it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Since you're so enlightened, please do share what you perceive to be "the grand scheme of things".
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:17:18
It wasn't their land, it belonged to the UK, and they could do with it as they pleased, they decided to give it to the Jews, ergo now it's the Jew's land. Also: lol that shows how much you know about me or "my standards" but go on being a ridiculous twatwaffle.
Hint: I really don't give a ***about anyone's culture, it's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Since you're so enlightened, please do share what you perceive to be "the grand scheme of things". I can promise you that it has nothing to do with anything that's been said so far in this thread.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:18:45
Hopefully they actually take care of ***this time and just crush these *** with overwhelming force, they'll never learn otherwise, unless they're dead.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-13 19:19:07
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee.
The oil part is correct, it's been a war for resources forever, however last I checked, Iraq isn't a major oil exporter, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait were.
If we wanted peace in the Middle East, then you need to rewind a long *** time and figure out a way to prevent the crusades. A lot of this ***was ended, however anyone who has their thumb up their *** just wants to blame the US for everything.
If you could get those radical idiots out then by all means do so. Don't call us a bunch of yankees or derogatory terms, because there's a lot I could call you and get banned for you ignorant ***.
How many Muslim nations have attacked the US?
How many muslim nations has the US attacked?
Simple
and simpler:
How many nations have attacked the US?
How many Nations has the US attacked?
I would deserve a Phd if I answered the bold question... just too much ***to list down to be honest.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-13 19:21:57
Hopefully they actually take care of ***this time and just crush these *** with overwhelming force, they'll never learn otherwise, unless they're dead.
You mean to tell me that the US faked getting its *** kicked in Afghanistan for world sympathy? They didn't use overwhelming force there?
Weren't the tururists who blew up the twin towers hiding in afghanistan? So the US's response to that was to ... use underwhelming force?
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:25:45
There's been well over a dozen attacks against the US by muslim nations.
The US has attacked very few nations in general, but I'm going to assume you mean how many times as the US sent troops in a nation to conduct combat operations: a shitload, but that's not the same thing as attacking a sovereign nation, and the last one we did it was with Nato support, even if our leadership lied about it, and a lot of us are rather pissed off about that as well.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:27:07
Hopefully they actually take care of ***this time and just crush these *** with overwhelming force, they'll never learn otherwise, unless they're dead.
You mean to tell me that the US faked getting its *** kicked in Afghanistan for world sympathy? They didn't use overwhelming force there?
Weren't the tururists who blew up the twin towers hiding in afghanistan? So the US's response to that was to ... use underwhelming force?
Yes we used a severely underwhelming force in regards to fighting guerrilla warfare tactics, but you apparently don't understand this concept.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-13 19:27:42
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
we killing muslims with drones. muslims get upset makes more terror groups we kill with drones. that makes more terror groups.
to put it into video game terms we just killing "sin" armor by killing the people we never go after islam the core aka "yu yevon" and we cant say any thing about it we just go "yay we beat sin" there peace, but it keeps coming back.
Yes im a liberal but the world needs to come out and say it we need to deal with islamm by deconverting proplr it may take 100-300 years but there one day will be peace in the middle east one day.
You *** idiot. There is war in the middle east because there is oil in the middle east.
1.6 Billion muslims, only 100 million in the areas of conflict. (Arabian Gulf) and Palestine because a western colony was implanted there.
Want peace in the middle east and the world? Get the *** out of other people's countries Yankee. lolno
It's the Jew's country, there's no such thing as Palestine. Can't get mad at a people for returning home after being pushed around for centuries and then wanting to defend their land once they had it back. But you know, continue being a tool, that's cool.
As for the rest of the shithole: we don't want to be there at all, we'd prefer to stay out, we have our own problems to deal with, but things take precedence at times. Do you know how ignorant you sound?
There's no such thing as a "people returning home after centuries"..
Hypothetically, lets say a large group of Jews were kicked out of their land by the romans. Lets also say this happened 2,000 years ago, as is stated by the Ashkenazi Jews.
You think that some people who are the descendants of others who died over 2,000 years ago, have the right to go an evict another people living in a land they've known as home their entire lives? the homes of their father, their grandfather, their great grand father... hundreds of generations...
You are *** bat ***crazy.Not at all, plus the UK had control of the region and they gave it to them, regardless of what tribes may have been in the area: the land wasn't there's.
But the radical muslims who want to kill all the jews most definitely are bat *** *** insane.
Did they want to kill them before or after they stole their land?
Muslims, Jews, and Christians have been at war since they originated. Do you think this is a new thing since the state of Israel?
Also... I don't pretend to be any kind of expert on the middle east, but religious radicals have been employing terroristic methodology since the end of the Arabic empires over a thousand years ago.
So don't assert things if you have no clue as to what you're talking about. So what if there was terrorism being deployed before? How the hell is that relevant to today?
Do you know how insane you sound due to your level of ignorance? Its like an Asian saying the USA has been a terrorist state ever since the 1700's. They blew up british ships didn't they? Those acts weren't carried out during war.. they were terrorists acts.
What about the more recent Israeli terrorists acts against the US military, that occured this century? The blowing up of a US Navy ship by the Israelis... look it up..
But hey, all of this is just random *** facts i'm throwing back at you because they are absolutely irrelevant as is the mentioning of some fairy tale legend about people being exiled from their land 2,000 years ago to justify the killing of children and innocent people today...
what the *** are you smoking
My ignorance? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:29:15
Can we just glass the desert already and get this ***over with? we can pump the oil out either way.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-13 19:33:57
There's been well over a dozen attacks against the US by muslim nations.
The US has attacked very few nations in general, but I'm going to assume you mean how many times as the US sent troops in a nation to conduct combat operations: a shitload, but that's not the same thing as attacking a sovereign nation, and the last one we did it was with Nato support, even if our leadership lied about it, and a lot of us are rather pissed off about that as well.
A dozen attacks?
List them if you can count that high.
By snakeplisken 2014-09-13 19:37:28
We all know the real solution to the worlds problems is to argue about them on a video game forum site.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:41:34
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »There's been well over a dozen attacks against the US by muslim nations.
The US has attacked very few nations in general, but I'm going to assume you mean how many times as the US sent troops in a nation to conduct combat operations: a shitload, but that's not the same thing as attacking a sovereign nation, and the last one we did it was with Nato support, even if our leadership lied about it, and a lot of us are rather pissed off about that as well.
A dozen attacks?
List them if you can count that high. http://www.google.com {you can have this} you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-13 19:42:27
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »There's been well over a dozen attacks against the US by muslim nations.
The US has attacked very few nations in general, but I'm going to assume you mean how many times as the US sent troops in a nation to conduct combat operations: a shitload, but that's not the same thing as attacking a sovereign nation, and the last one we did it was with Nato support, even if our leadership lied about it, and a lot of us are rather pissed off about that as well.
A dozen attacks?
List them if you can count that high. http://www.google.com {you can have this} you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish.
I knew you couldn't count past 2.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:47:13
you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish. called it
By Blazed1979 2014-09-13 19:53:21
you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish. called it If its only 12 attacks, it shouldn't be hard to recall them from memory, especially since you say you are sure of this. If you didn't remember then you would just be fabricating ***up, right?
So just list them.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-13 19:55:00
I said well over, and I'm not doing your homework for you, go enlighten yourself. They're well documented.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-09-13 20:50:21
Obama just sucks, he's a horrible leader for the US and whoever defends him by saying Bush was worse, I shall say this:
Both sucked. (Ok now let's see how many people think that is bait. Cya in the morning.)
That's why even Hillary's 2016 team is trying to distance themselves from Obama and this war. Democrats(those supporting Hilldog) and Republicans are both going after Obama.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-13 21:24:12
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Obama just sucks, he's a horrible leader for the US and whoever defends him by saying Bush was worse, I shall say this:
Both sucked. (Ok now let's see how many people think that is bait. Cya in the morning.)
That's why even Hillary's 2016 team is trying to distance themselves from Obama and this war. Democrats(those supporting Hilldog) and Republicans are both going after Obama.
And they should. I'm not saying that there was a better way or pretending to know a better way, but his way is bordering on overreach of executive power. If you're going to overstep your authority, the least you could do is get the job done.
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By Altimaomega 2014-09-14 00:06:20
you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish. called it If its only 12 attacks, it shouldn't be hard to recall them from memory, especially since you say you are sure of this. If you didn't remember then you would just be fabricating ***up, right?
So just list them. I said well over, and I'm not doing your homework for you, go enlighten yourself. They're well documented.
Haahaaha Jet doesn't prove things. Everyone should know this by now.
However, I'm in agreement with glassing the desert.
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By Phoenix.Michiiru 2014-09-14 00:16:39
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Obama just sucks, he's a horrible leader for the US and whoever defends him by saying Bush was worse, I shall say this:
Both sucked. (Ok now let's see how many people think that is bait. Cya in the morning.)
That's why even Hillary's 2016 team is trying to distance themselves from Obama and this war. Democrats(those supporting Hilldog) and Republicans are both going after Obama.
And they should. I'm not saying that there was a better way or pretending to know a better way, but his way is bordering on overreach of executive power. If you're going to overstep your authority, the least you could do is get the job done.
But all Obama does is pussy foot around and squander what limited resources we have. If he wants to paint a pretty image of the Democratic Party, he is NOT making them look good, especially with what he's done to things like cuts to education, and acting like he doesn't even know wtf his government is doing (As in he claims he just heard about it himself. If you're gonna lie, make an honest effort to. FFS I was holding a lie for over 10 years until I finally caved in and went "I'm sorry Joe, but yes I did steal that Gameboy Color you had left right on the bleacher, where it sat for over 5 hours in an empty gym with people passing by.)
Back on topic: Obama, LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE *** OUT OF THE WAY.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-14 00:27:40
you look it up instead of being an ignorant fool who does nothing but continue to prove your ignorance and be childish. called it If its only 12 attacks, it shouldn't be hard to recall them from memory, especially since you say you are sure of this. If you didn't remember then you would just be fabricating ***up, right?
So just list them. I said well over, and I'm not doing your homework for you, go enlighten yourself. They're well documented.
Haahaaha Jet doesn't prove things. Everyone should know this by now.
However, I'm in agreement with glassing the desert.
You confuse not spoon feeding you with well documented and presented truths with "not proving things" I'm not here to babysit morons.
Quote: Can Obama wage war without consent of Congress?
WASHINGTON (AP) — On the cusp of intensified airstrikes in Iraq and Syria, President Barack Obama is using the legal grounding of the congressional authorizations President George W. Bush relied on more than a decade ago to go to war. But Obama has made no effort to ask Congress to explicitly authorize his own conflict.
The White House said again Friday that Bush-era congressional authorizations for the war on al-Qaida and the Iraq invasion give Obama authority to act without new approval by Congress under the 1973 War Powers Act. That law, passed during the Vietnam War, serves as a constitutional check on presidential power to declare war without congressional consent. It requires presidents to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and limits the use of military forces to no more than 60 days unless Congress authorizes force or declares war.
"It is the view of this administration and the president's national security team specifically that additional authorization from Congress is not required, that he has the authority that he needs to order the military actions," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said. He said there were no plans to seek consent from Congress. "At this point we have not, and I don't know of any plan to do so at this point," he said.
The administration's tightly crafted legal strategy has short-circuited the congressional oversight that Obama once championed. The White House's use of post-9/11 congressional force authorizations for the broadening air war has generated a chorus of criticism that the justifications are, at best, a legal stretch.
"Committing American lives to war is such a serious question, it should not be left to one person to decide, even if it's the president," said former Illinois Rep. Paul Findley, 92, who helped write the War Powers Act.
As a U.S. senator from Illinois running for president in 2007, Obama tried to prevent Bush's administration from taking any military action against Iran unless it was explicitly authorized by Congress. A Senate resolution Obama sponsored died in committee.
Nearly seven years later, U.S. fighter jets and unmanned drones armed with missiles have flown 150 airstrikes against the Islamic State group over the past five weeks in Iraq under Obama's orders — even though he has yet to formally ask Congress to authorize the expanding war. Obama told the nation Wednesday he would unleash U.S. strikes inside Syria for the first time, along with intensified bombing in Iraq, as part of "a steady, relentless effort" to root out Islamic State extremists. Obama has not said how long the air campaign will last.
The White House has cited the 2001 military authorization Congress gave Bush to attack any countries, groups or people who planned, authorized, committed or aided the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Earnest on Thursday described the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, generally known as the AUMF, as one that Obama "believes continues to apply to this terrorist organization that is operating in Iraq and Syria."
The Islamic State group, which was founded in 2004, has not been linked to the 9/11 attacks, although its founders later pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden. In February, al-Qaida declared that the Islamic State group was no longer formally part of the terror organization. And in recent weeks, senior U.S. officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and Matthew Olsen, head of the National Counterterrorism Center, have drawn significant distinctions between al-Qaida and the Islamic State group.
Earnest said Thursday that Obama welcomes support from Congress but that it isn't necessary. "The president has the authority, the statutory authority that he needs," Earnest said.
Others disagreed.
"I actually think the 2001 AUMF argument is pretty tortured," said Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee. "They are essentially saying that ISIL is associated with al-Qaida, and that's not obvious," Himes said, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State group. "Stretching it like this has dangerous implications."
Himes supports a new congressional vote for a specific IS group authorization, as does another Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff of California.
There is wariness even from some former Bush administration officials. Jack Goldsmith, head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel under Bush, said in the Lawfare blog that "it seems a stretch" to connect the Islamic State group to al-Qaida, considering recent rivalry between the two groups.
The White House also finds authorization under the 2002 resolution that approved the invasion of Iraq to identify and destroy weapons of mass destruction. That resolution also cited the threat from al-Qaida, which Congress said then was operating inside Iraq. But the U.S. later concluded there were no ties between al-Qaida and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein or his government, and the group formally known as al-Qaida in Iraq — which later evolved into the Islamic State group — didn't form until 2004, after the U.S.-led invasion.
Obama is using both authorizations as authority to act even though he publicly sought their repeal last year. In a key national security address at the National Defense University in May 2013, Obama said he wanted to scrap the 2001 order because "we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight." Two months later, Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, asked House Speaker John Boehner to consider repealing the 2002 Iraq resolution, calling the document "outdated."
Obama has asked only for congressional backing to pay for the buildup of American advisers and equipment to aid Syrian opposition forces. House Republicans spurned a vote on that separate request earlier this week, but Boehner is now siding with the administration. The White House acknowledged it could not overtly train Syrian rebels without Congress approving the cost of about $500 million.
Since U.S. military advisers went into Iraq in June, the administration has maneuvered repeatedly to avoid coming into conflict with the War Powers provision that imposes a 60-day time limit on unapproved military action. Seven times, before each 60-day limit has expired, Obama has sent new notification letters to Congress restarting the clock and providing new extensions without invoking congressional approval. The most recent four notifications have covered the airstrikes against the Islamic State group that began Aug. 8.
An international law expert at Temple University's Beasley School of Law, Peter J. Spiro, described the letters as workarounds that amount to "killing the War Powers Act with 1,000 tiny cuts."
Former Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., who now heads the Lugar Center for foreign affairs in Washington, said Obama could ask for congressional approval in a way that would be less formal than a specific war resolution — perhaps either as an appropriations request or a simple resolution.
"It may not be the most satisfactory way to declare war," Lugar said. "But it may be a pragmatic compromise for the moment."
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