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15 questions for the evolutionists of AH.com
By Jetackuu 2014-09-22 15:58:58
I missed 8 page, can anyone tldr those 8 pages ? Only thing I noticed is a woman ***. God I created forums. ftfy...unless you consider Scragg as a god.....
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ALL PRAISE THE ALMIGHTY SCRAGG, TRUTH BE DONE, BANS BE GONE! As far as this site is concerned, he is very god-like.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 16:00:01
I missed 8 page, can anyone tldr those 8 pages ? Only thing I noticed is a woman ***. Tunas are best women and Jennifer Lawrence's *** are overrated.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-22 16:00:38
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I missed 8 page, can anyone tldr those 8 pages ? Only thing I noticed is a woman ***. Tunas are best women and Jennifer Lawrence *** are overrated. Wrong thread. But they do all seem to be blending into each other.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 16:01:08
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I missed 8 page, can anyone tldr those 8 pages ? Only thing I noticed is a woman ***. Tunas are best women and Jennifer Lawrence *** are overrated. Wrong thread. But they do all seem to be blending into each other. Yeah if I post in 20 threads at once I'll mix them up.
I was about to post a LoL screenshot.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-22 16:13:24
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I was about to post a LoL screenshot.
Actually, that would be very fitting in this thread. Go for it.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 16:23:34
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I was about to post a LoL screenshot.
Actually, that would be very fitting in this thread. Go for it.
As you wish.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-22 16:24:45
Are we at the point of the discussion where we go Agnostic > atheist and religious ?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-22 16:32:59
Are we at the point of the discussion where we go Agnostic > atheist and religious ? Sure.
You could also say that Me > all while you are at it.
Doesn't mean it's true.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 16:38:46
Are we at the point of the discussion where we go Agnostic > atheist and religious ? In this specific case, nothing is better, it's just different.
Unless you see religious and non religious as a race to see who's "right".
By Jetackuu 2014-09-22 16:40:38
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Are we at the point of the discussion where we go Agnostic > atheist and religious ? In this specific case, nothing is better, it's just different.
Unless you see religious and non religious as a race to see who's "right".
In reference to logical vs nonsense, one is a lot better than the other, but we won't agree on the terms of that argument, so is there really a point to it?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 16:42:00
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Are we at the point of the discussion where we go Agnostic > atheist and religious ? In this specific case, nothing is better, it's just different.
Unless you see religious and non religious as a race to see who's "right".
In reference to logical vs nonsense, one is a lot better than the other, but we won't agree on the terms of that argument, so is there really a point to it? You're right, but maybe I'm saying this only because I agree with you. I'm not sure if it's objectivity.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-22 16:46:25
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »I missed 8 page, can anyone tldr those 8 pages ? Only thing I noticed is a woman ***. Tunas are best women and Jennifer Lawrence's *** are overrated. ***I totally forgot about Turkey...
Turkey: BIG A$$ TIDDIESS on a white female.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-22 16:47:07
Fair enough, /yawn I could use a nap.
By Nazrious 2014-09-22 17:39:40
Often a Atheist is the most vocal and staunchest supporter of their beliefs I disagree. I've never had atheists come bother me to talk to me about the non existence of God.
It happens almost on a daily bases with theists.
Nah they are smarter about it and lobby/ bribe congress and also run PR campaign as well as make test cases hoping to get before the Supreme Court. Reality?
Are people upset about that fact that belief there IS NOT A GOD(S). Is not the same as a lack of belief? One would be Atheism the other would be more similar to Agnosticism.
Its not my fault if people use terms they don't fully understand.
Maybe your perception of reality, but that's not actual reality. What you think is an atheist is actually a gnostic atheist, a very small subset that is often misused as the common definition because religious persons prefer to define them as that because it discredits them. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief or lack thereof it's a position of knowledge.
But your bias is showing.
Umm you sir are wrong.
Atheist Believe that there is NO God(s). Agnostics neither believe in or against the existence of God, they take a, It is impossible to know thus I don't worry about it, approach.
Gnostic is a religion(sect) in an of itself, some claim it predates Christianity, roots in Buddhism (see Nirvana and gnostic principles), others see it as a sect of Christianity which was deemed heretical and faded away.
Personally I was raised Catholic and used my brain, something many people should try at least once, to develop my own understanding of existence. Through the study of religion, philosophy, science, history, and sociology. I can state for a fact that there is no form of acceptable proof to show the existence of God, However there is also no definitive proof to refute the existence of God. Man currently is unable to prove the argument in either direction. My beliefs stem from a Pascalian wager perspective and are mine, thus they suit me. There is nothing lost in my belief of God, if I am wrong I will never know, if I am right I will be bettered because of it.
To Go further I hope there is a God, but if there is no God then tough cookies for me.
At the end of the day neither side of the issue matters so long as People follow basic tenants of society and can function so that My life is suitable for me. When my life is no longer within the bounds of what I find suitable then I will have to change it or adapt.
I could also go into a very long discussion on free will but you probably would not understand it.
To simplify my position for you.
People are driven by personal edification and satisfaction of their base desires.
Society can not function if people are allowed to act according to this innate state of man.
Society benefits man because its makes it safer to live and improves the overall quality of life for the majority.
Society is good until its not, then there is revolution.
Religion, and Belief systems are tools, both personal and of the Ruling body.
Said systems can enrich the life of an individual.
Applied broadly said systems tend to be used as means of control. In order to avoid Revolution.
It is easier to control non-thinking sheep than individuals capable of logic and reason, through many means, religion included but not exclusive to religion.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-09-22 17:49:53
I'm getting a bunch of reports of images containing profanity from this thread; ***and badass are prohibited in images and those of you who posted them know better.
I just locked it like it's hot.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2014-09-22 18:32:39
1.) How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?
2.) How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?
3.) How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP, for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?
4.) Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?
5.) How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? (This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”3
6.) Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.”4 Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”5 The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?
7.) How did multi-cellular life originate? How did cells adapted to individual survival ‘learn’ to cooperate and specialize (including undergoing programmed cell death) to create complex plants and animals?
8.) How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).
9.) Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”.6 Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.
10.) How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”7
11.) How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?
12.) Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Evolutionists often use flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory. NAS(USA) member Dr Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian explanations for such things are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self-centered and aggressive—except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed—except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.”8
13.) Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.”9 Dr Skell wrote, “It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers … .”10 Evolution actually hinders medical discovery.11 Then why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?
14.) Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”12
15.) Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? Karl Popper, famous philosopher of science, said “Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme ….”13 Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”14 If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?
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