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Does islam require forced conversions?
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 18:18:50
Yeah you don't understand the importance of interacting with others. It will be a very low functional individual(and like Senkyu said, devastated mentally).
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:18:51
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act. Mensa isn't really a good thing to mention when talking about intelligence/high IQs. The numbers of geniuses that do not want anything to do with Mensa is greater than the number of geniuses joining their ranks.
When you first find out you're a "zebre"(french word for it), you kinda understand your whole life till that, and it is one of the first group you look into at first, then staying or leaving is totally up to you, but knowing you're not alone and talking to people help a ***ton to understand why you always felt "out of place" and why it will always be like that. Mensa isn't really a social thing in that regard.
I don't know what a zèbre is, it may be related to your region, I don't remember hearing this where I come from.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-09-23 18:18:58
I think having a tutor for the kid will be better than you trying to teach him/her, you can't even spell correctly with that "advanced" brain of yours. Good luck getting them to master four languages.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 18:20:00
Yeah you don't understand the importance of interacting with others. It will be a very low functional individual(and like Senkyu said, devastated mentally). Define interacting.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 18:22:43
all that stuff i can ignore because the internet, your child will gain access or see it or find out about it or see other children and so on.
you will never be able to complete or "perfect" someone. Underground bomb shelter with no internet.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 18:23:49
I dunno guys, I'm going to need more proof that Refresh is just acting here. I see a person who really thinks they are smarter than everyone else (despite having trouble with simple grammar) and who actually thinks they can engineer the perfect child. The delusion is strong with this one.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:26:08
Additionally, on top of having mentally unstable children, they'll have no social aptitute at all. They'll be outcasts, unable to live a normal life. Human nature will one day make them suffer greatly for this, no matter what their success is.
The key with children is to show them the various paths and then be there when they fall to pull them back on their feet until they can walk safely alone. Pushing them in the ravin over and over won't make them strong, it'll make them damaged.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 18:27:39
You might just want to study robotics and create your ideal AI, at least that way no one would get hurt.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-23 18:30:14
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act. Mensa isn't really a good thing to mention when talking about intelligence/high IQs. The numbers of geniuses that do not want anything to do with Mensa is greater than the number of geniuses joining their ranks.
When you first find out you're a "zebre"(french word for it), you kinda understand your whole life till that, and it is one of the first group you look into at first, then staying or leaving is totally up to you, but knowing you're not alone and talking to people help a ***ton to understand why you always felt "out of place" and why it will always be like that. Mensa isn't really a social thing in that regard.
I don't know what a zèbre is, it may be related to your region, I don't remember hearing this where I come from.
It is the word used here to make it sounds better, the use it in Belgium and Paris too for sure.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:32:07
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »First, you'll never be able to even cover everything that matters, so you'll have to make sacrifices.
Second, you are human, you will *** up many of those things and there is no rewind button, your child will keep that in his or her memory, making this tiny mistake a lifelong memory of failure for them.
Yes Senkyuutai I'm glad someone actually gets it
you said it will be incredibly hard not to make a mistake but I already have the math and language lessons planned out.
starting a languages the most youngest age possible will allow multiple languages to be normal.
their brain will also be able to comprehend mathematics as normal function.
I just have to make sure the emotional and environmental stimulus are correct.
but I'm glad you understand that there are factors in one little slip up could damage the experiment and make them fall outside the standards of advanced education.
but I've prior experience with a contained environment.
my aunt online school both for her children the first one became an advanced lawyer and the second one will also become of advanced job.
I will be able to apply the same method because private online schooling will also be advanced enough by then for my child.
so therefore accidental outside interference will be To a minimal. I never said it would be incredibly hard not to make mistake, I said you WILL make mistakes.
It is, probability wise, impossible for you not to *** up your kids in a very harmful way given how much pressure you intend to put on their shoulders.
But as I mentioned above, this is a sacrifice. You are basically sacrificing the human side of your children in order to make them into some kind of impresive data center. They're merely dolls with hard drives. You cannot force intelligence on kids, you can only bring them to the average cap.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:32:58
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act. Mensa isn't really a good thing to mention when talking about intelligence/high IQs. The numbers of geniuses that do not want anything to do with Mensa is greater than the number of geniuses joining their ranks.
When you first find out you're a "zebre"(french word for it), you kinda understand your whole life till that, and it is one of the first group you look into at first, then staying or leaving is totally up to you, but knowing you're not alone and talking to people help a ***ton to understand why you always felt "out of place" and why it will always be like that. Mensa isn't really a social thing in that regard.
I don't know what a zèbre is, it may be related to your region, I don't remember hearing this where I come from.
It is the word used here to make it sounds better, the use it in Belgium and Paris too for sure. I'm from Marseille, always lived here, so Paris and Belgium (lived there too for a bit but not enough to get their expressions) are kind of a different world for me.
Quote: zèbre
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1 (zoologie) mammifère africain du genre Equus caractéristique par les bandes noires et blanches de son pelage
2 familier personnage bizarre et excentrique I might be bizarre but not excentrique.
I don't get how it can be related to intelligence.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 18:34:09
Asura.Refreshazure said: »my aunt online school both for her children the first one became an advanced lawyer and the second one will also become of advanced job.
An "advanced lawyer" huh? So your aunt used online school for both of her children at what age? I assume they weren't always in an online school from the beginning, unless they were dialing in to America Online.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 18:36:35
AOL University. Seems shady.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 18:45:18
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Senkyuutai actually understands the factors and yes I am calculating the emotional factor as well creating a genius they have to be well-balanced as well emotionally
yes Senkyuutai I am very well factoring in emotions that is one of the reasons I study the most the un-rational people such as creationist religious and conservative.
You might want to study yourself while you're at it, since you're "un-rational" enough to believe you can create a genius. When you actually have kids and reality sets in, let me know how it goes. Good luck, you'll need a load of it.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 18:50:04
Asura.Refreshazure said: »education and studying would be encouraged instead of demoted as it currently is in the United States I don't understand this. Culture is frowned upon in the US?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:51:42
In order to be peaceful and wise, you need the matching personality. The current Dalai Lama is an ISTP, which goes hand in hand with peacefulness.
You have to take the child's personality into account, you can't raise two children the same way unless you're lucky enough to have similar personalities.
So you're taking into consideration that your planned out teachings will still need to be adapted to the child's personality?
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 18:51:52
Asura.Refreshazure said: » I study the most the un-rational people such as creationist religious
Asura.Refreshazure said: »sorry I am not the Dalai Lama however he is a good example of what happens when you raise a child in a wisdom -based environments that is one of the reasons why he's so peaceful and wise.
You do realize that the Dalai Lama is religious, right?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-23 18:54:01
So...You claim to be a prototype for the advancement of human intelligence, and you want to spawn wunderkinds left and right, but you've blamed the education system twice now for your continued misuse of the English language and your poor mathematical skills.
If you're genetically a genius, why haven't you progressed by your own initiative or natural ability?
WTF am I reading?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-23 18:54:38
Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-23 18:55:13
What the hell is this?
Have you ever been around kids?
If you can't feel happiness (oxytocin) you will have a severly difficult time bonding with your child.
Not to mention that fact that your brain chemistry will change if you live with the mother of your child, before and after birth.
Hormones affect a lot more than you seem to understand.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 18:59:17
The ***?
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There is no question that many people have been killed by those who wish to convert others to their religion. It's not just Muslims killing Christians, it has happened for just about every religion out there.
Specifically about islam, though, I'm trying to understand more about what various religious writings have. From what I can find, there are statements from Muhammad that both dictate forced conversion as well as statements that dictate leaving others in peace.
For example, here's a statement that appears to be forcing conversion: Quote: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
And here's one that says leave people alone: Quote: I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.
Are these really just contradictory messages? I know religious questions are effectively impossible to answer, so I'd like to phrase things this way: Are Muhammad's writings 100% for forced conversion, 100% against, or do they give conflicting advice?
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