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Does islam require forced conversions?
By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 12:38:15
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported.
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2014-09-23 12:38:57
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases: 1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases. 2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year. 3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year. 4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year. Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented. Where is your source on this?
I'm actually surprised the U.S.A. is only #7. I thought Murica was #1 at everything.
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-09-23 12:39:08
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »
You're all over these religious threads. Did a priest touch you when you were little?
By fonewear 2014-09-23 12:40:58
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 12:41:17
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000
(Literally typed "UN STATISTICS RAPE WORLD" in Google)
By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 12:42:39
What an absolutely idiotic image.
It's not rape when there's consent...yeesh.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 12:42:59
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this? I'm guessing it is this located here.
Of course, you need to actually read this part:
Quote: Please note that when using the figures, any cross-national comparisons should be conducted with caution because of the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in countries, or the different methods of offence counting and recording.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 12:44:08
Denying that the women's condition is at its worst in places of islamic culture is preposterous.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 12:44:23
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported.
Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 12:45:55
Denying that the women's condition is at its worst in places of islamic culture is preposterous.
Please share the comparative report of the female condition that has made this preposterous - (do you know what that word means?)
By volkom 2014-09-23 12:46:09
yes is yes and no means yes
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 12:46:49
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 12:49:23
Denying that the women's condition is at its worst in places of islamic culture is preposterous.
Please share the comparative report of the female condition that has made this preposterous - (do you know what that word means?)
This sounds like a culture that's very enlighted toward women and human rights in general. Really.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-23 12:49:41
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
But of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Actually, I found his source and saw that he misinterpreted it.
Excel File, 2nd tab called CTS 2013 Rape
Out of his "findings"
1) According to him, Sweden leads the world in the number of known rapes by "665,000" reported cases. Not only is this laughable, but grossly inaccurate. Sweden had a total of 6,324 total reported rape cases in 2013. But because Sweden has a lower population density than most of the other countries, the UN decides to do a rate comparison based on the total rape cases (lets call this "A") vs. total population of the country (call this "B" and multiply it by the ratio of the total population of the country ("B") against a set amount (100,000 people in this case) to get a rate of 66.5. What the chart states that out of every 100,000 people in a country, 66 and 1/2 people are victims of rape. Not "665,000" people in the country is raped per year.
2) He conveniently forget his own society in the area, where a women who complains about being raped is automatically labeled a ***. It even says so in the Qu'ran too.... So most of the rape cases in the Middle East go unreported because of society pressures.
3) There is a lot of missing information in the Middle East nations on the file. Most likely because there is no statistical reporting of said cases.
There is so much wrong with Dubai's post that it is unreal....
Edit: Some of the credit should go to Milameber for finding the link and posting it before I finished my post, I guess.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-23 12:50:58
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: »location, location affects how extreme your religion becomes. That's not necessary true.
While location does play a role in how extreme a religion can get, it also depends on where the thugs of the world can congregate.
If the Middle East can take out the trash of their society, the thugs of the world would move on to the next hell-hole.
yes but we have generated an endless supply of "thugs" now do you think all those families who had their homes and their community destroyed during the Iraq and Afghanistan war are going go, oh The Americans welcome back who are you after this time let us help you.
the reason ISIS is so much more extreme and more efficient than Al Qaeda is because we went natural selection on the terrorists
the ones that were left over where to one sets were smart enough to hide and were strategically minded, that is why ISIS has started to use social media in order to recruit for terrorism it is literally evolving into a more efficient Terror Animal in the Middle East.
The example is the flames of war video used to provoke the United States which the United States has eaten up like it's McDonald's. Where do you even come up with this stuff?
By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 12:51:29
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
Precisely my point, but I love how Ramy liked the post.
By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 12:52:23
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
Precisely my point, but I love how Ramy liked the post.
No. It isn't your point. At all.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 12:53:25
By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 12:54:40
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
Precisely my point, but I love how Ramy liked the post.
No. It isn't your point. At all.
It is very much so. You claim UN report stats to be inaccurate. I ask for some basis(data/info/reports/research/dispute/anything) to your opinion (be it sarcastic and condescending)
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 12:54:58
Asura.Refreshazure said: » I wish the 15 points of creationism guy came back Please God, no.
By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 12:57:07
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
Precisely my point, but I love how Ramy liked the post.
No. It isn't your point. At all.
It is very much so. You claim UN report stats to be inaccurate. I ask for some basis(data/info/reports/research/dispute/anything) to your opinion (be it sarcastic and condescending)
Did you read what Milamber posted?
Of course, you need to actually read this part:
Quote: Please note that when using the figures, any cross-national comparisons should be conducted with caution because of the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in countries, or the different methods of offence counting and recording.
Not to mention KN pointed out all of the "missing" data in the report thanks to the Middle East's rape-reporting practices (or lack thereof).
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 13:07:12
1.Egypt is a country governed by Islam?
Didn't they just kick out Morsey after he held power for 1 year, and interrupted a secularist regime that cracked down on the muslim brotherhood for 30 years?
Not that I'm defending Morsey, but saying Egypt is governed by Islam is like saying America is governed by Christianity. They are a secularist states.
2.Afghanistan - One of the worst places on earth for women, and people in general. It's not the fact that the country has been through decades of War without a breather that's the cause of social deterioration.
3. Qatar:
"Women continued to face discrimination in law and practice and were inadequately protected against violence within the family. In particular, family law discriminated against women, making it much easier for men to seek divorce compared to women, and placing women at a severe economic disadvantage if they sought divorce or if their husbands left them."
All very true about Qatar. But hardly the "worst" of conditions
the world has to offer women. not by a long shot.
But I would say men having more of divorce is not as a severe a problem as "high levels of violence against Indigenous women".
as mentioned in v Also in Qatar and the Gulf, they don't shackle pregnant women.
By volkom 2014-09-23 13:08:26
yes is yes and no means yes ok i thought it went like this?
maybe~
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-23 13:10:23
Quote: but saying Egypt is governed by Islam is like saying America is governed by Christianity. They are a secularist states.
I'm actually not going to get too down on you for this one because your point is understood, but American is largely governed by Christianity. Try getting a politician to admit they're an atheist or agnostic.
Won't happen. 99% of the time it would be complete and utter political suicide.
By Blazed1979 2014-09-23 13:11:03
The 2012 UN Statistics for National Rape rate per 100,000 world wide is, keeping in mind that those are all Reported cases:
1)Sweden comes in at #1 in a whopping 665,000 rape cases.
2) U.S.A. comes in at #7 with a Rape rate of 266,000 reported rape cases per year.
3) U.A.E. comes in at #16 with a 60,000 rape cases per year.
4) Indonesia comes in at #18 with a 70,000 rape cases per year.
Where am I going with this? Well as you can see, rape cases within Muslim countries is very minimal comparing to Western civilized countries who preach about freedom rights in which in fact tie women down and hold them of there potential and just see them as s*x objects. I would like to see this information you presented.
Where is your source on this?
It is absolutely laughable that you think rape is accurately reported in those countries. Rape is part of the culture in many Middle Eastern countries. Women exist as sex objects to many men in some of those cultures.
Let's be clear. I'm not blaming this on Muslims or Islam necessarily. It may be a factor used to justify, but that's not the relgion's fault.
In some of those cultures, women who are raped are killed by their own families as revoltingly-named "honor killings".
Of course those countries have lower rapes reported. Which of "these countries" have you been to and spent enough time in to be placed in a position to actually refute UN Statistics.
You talk about how irrational faith is all the time, and yet you speculate without any information, just hearsay and opinion based on entities like FOX News.
just wow dude... have you ever sat down with yourself and figured ***out?
Uh... you won't really ever be in a place to spend enough time in those countries to refute the UN Statistics. Because that isn't how statistics work.
Precisely my point, but I love how Ramy liked the post.
No. It isn't your point. At all.
It is very much so. You claim UN report stats to be inaccurate. I ask for some basis(data/info/reports/research/dispute/anything) to your opinion (be it sarcastic and condescending)
Did you read what Milamber posted?
Of course, you need to actually read this part:
Quote: Please note that when using the figures, any cross-national comparisons should be conducted with caution because of the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in countries, or the different methods of offence counting and recording.
Not to mention KN pointed out all of the "missing" data in the report thanks to the Middle East's rape-reporting practices (or lack thereof).
That is a disclaimer noting that the statistics may or may not be entirely accurate noting certain conditions beyond their control and ability to quantify.
However, it is still the data we have to go on. The speculation you present is base don....?
I'm still waiting to hear your answer.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-23 13:14:08
Denying that the women's condition is at its worst in places of islamic culture is preposterous.
1.Egypt is a country governed by Islam?
There is no question that many people have been killed by those who wish to convert others to their religion. It's not just Muslims killing Christians, it has happened for just about every religion out there.
Specifically about islam, though, I'm trying to understand more about what various religious writings have. From what I can find, there are statements from Muhammad that both dictate forced conversion as well as statements that dictate leaving others in peace.
For example, here's a statement that appears to be forcing conversion: Quote: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
And here's one that says leave people alone: Quote: I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.
Are these really just contradictory messages? I know religious questions are effectively impossible to answer, so I'd like to phrase things this way: Are Muhammad's writings 100% for forced conversion, 100% against, or do they give conflicting advice?
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