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Cop sued, preached Jesus during traffic stop
Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-10-09 16:34:58
Lawsuit: State trooper preached about Jesus during traffic stop
Selected paragraphs:
Quote: Ellen Bogan expects police to protect and serve — not proselytize.
But she says Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pitched Christianity to her when he pulled her over for an alleged traffic violation in August on U.S. 27 in Union County....
Bogan and the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana have filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit alleges he violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights when he probed into her religious background and handed her a church pamphlet that asks the reader "to acknowledge that she is a sinner."....
"The most important thing for people to understand is that the First Amendment specifies that the government shall not prefer one religion over another religion, or religious adherence over anything else," said Jennifer Drobac, a professor at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in Indianapolis who has studied religion and government.
"The police officer is representing the government ... so that means, as a representative, this person, while on duty, while engaged in official action, is basically overstepping and is trying to establish religion."....
Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, said that although the traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, he questioned whether a police officer should lose his right to free speech because he is wearing a badge.
"I have people pass out religious material all the time. Mormons come to my door all the time, and it doesn't offend me," Clark said. "(This case) might not be the most persuasive time to talk to someone about their faith, but I don't think that a police officer is prohibited from doing something like that."....
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
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By Phoenix.Kaoriasada 2014-10-09 16:47:24
Less than five songs, huh? Sorry, but that typo made me laugh. The rest aside, that's messed up.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-10-09 17:00:15
Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-10-09 17:59:53
/laugh I do make some great typos.
I may not even bother to fix it.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-10-09 18:21:39
Silly Chanti, you're supposed to sing March!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-09 18:30:21
Seems like every Indiana story lately has something to do with the cops.
By Bloodrose 2014-10-09 18:38:29
Sweet home, Indiana! Wait, what?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-12-02 09:08:52
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-12-02 10:28:01
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By fonewear 2014-12-02 12:41:33
Might be the best headline I've read all year.
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By fonewear 2014-12-02 12:47:35
This is why we have the death penalty to keep people from wearing purple cowboy suits !
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-12-02 12:51:21
Quote: The appellate court's decision, in turn, was based in part on the opinion of a Florida psychiatrist who has deemed at least three Florida death row inmates with long and well-documented histories of mental illness to be sane enough for the needle.
wait a tick... how sane do you have to be to die? I don't think there's much of a prerequisite. being crazy actually probably helps. funny stuff.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:04:40
I never understood that ***either crazy enough to live or sane enough to die, yet if you take your own life it's the act of a crazy person
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-02 13:09:35
yet if you take your own life it's the act of a crazy person
Mentally ill, definitely. Not always "crazy" though.
I actually prefer to reserve the word "crazy" for either hyperbolic purposes (that food is crazy good!) or the actual homicidally insane.
I've never been a fan of the "too mentally ill to be put to death" clause. We euthanize animals who harm people all the time for the safety of "society". And a lot of the time those animals were provoked by an idiot. I really see little difference.
By fonewear 2014-12-02 13:13:25
I don't care either way all I get out of the story is a purple cowboy suit. Anyone that wears that is a hero to me.
By Kooljack 2014-12-02 13:14:08
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:16:13
I don't believe in anything but crazy or sane *** all gray areas but that's personal belief which I don't push on others
By Kooljack 2014-12-02 13:18:19
I don't believe in anything but crazy or sane *** all gray areas but that's personal belief which I don't push on others
i wasn't pushing anything on anyone.
I was surmising the fallacy of doubt that unbelievers don't understand about it
I was arguing the logic behind faith and doubt from a non hating standpoint. good job on acting like a child about the situation
stay classy mr.frown. stay classy. oh but wait you can't. you need to spew your non-sense stories that have nothing to do with logicality behind what i was pointing out. good riddance
Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:19:13
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
*you are assuming that faith and doubt are mutually exclusive
* Many people think doubt is the opposite of faith. That’s not true. Unbelief is the opposite of faith.
* doubt is a necessary part of faith because faith does not mean 100% certainty.
in fact the very essence of faith doesn't come without having doubt. It is actually implored upon believers to doubt what they believe so that they their belief becomes stronger. just saying your mantra is flawed if your trying to pick at the unanswerable questions about faith because there is just as much circumstantial evidence to the contrary
So is it doubt or unbelief that made 3 jehova's witnesses flee my home after being invited in at which point I stripped and put on gay porn
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Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:20:23
I don't believe in anything but crazy or sane *** all gray areas but that's personal belief which I don't push on others
i wasn't pushing anything on anyone.
I was surmising the fallacy of doubt that unbelievers don't understand about it
That wasn't directed at you or anyone for that matter was just sayin I don't push my ideals
By Ramyrez 2014-12-02 13:22:37
I don't believe in anything but crazy or sane *** all gray areas but that's personal belief which I don't push on others
i wasn't pushing anything on anyone.
I was surmising the fallacy of doubt that unbelievers don't understand about it
I was arguing the logic behind faith and doubt from a non hating standpoint. good job on acting like a child about the situation
You kinda went chasing a religious argument. Not that Chanti wasn't provoking it, though.
But from the tone of her comment that what she meant was not referring to the "underlying inherent doubt all believers have because faith cannot be proved".
By Kooljack 2014-12-02 13:22:49
I don't believe in anything but crazy or sane *** all gray areas but that's personal belief which I don't push on others
i wasn't pushing anything on anyone.
I was surmising the fallacy of doubt that unbelievers don't understand about it
That wasn't directed at you or anyone for that matter was just sayin I don't push my ideals
you immediately re-posted under a minute after I did. and then started quoting my rhetoric. obviously it was spawned from my post.
Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:26:15
Ease up killer it was a follow up to my own post
Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:27:24
If anything it should be seen as directed toward ramyrez partial quote of said post
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By Bahamut.Protectorchrono 2014-12-02 13:28:09
Yet another reason why I don't like religion. I'll just take my ticket officer, thanks.
By Kooljack 2014-12-02 13:30:13
okok there is some merit to what you say, i concede.XD maybe i was a little hellbent there XD^_^_
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-12-02 13:31:35
I honestly don't mind if someone pushes their beliefs unless it's not a good read lol
By Kooljack 2014-12-02 13:34:15
your all good then anjisnu, but this protectorchrono guy, pshhh there's someone i need to rage at!! XD /evilgrin
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By Bahamut.Protectorchrono 2014-12-02 13:35:00
your all good then anjisnu, but this protectorchrono guy, pshhh there's someone i need to rage at!! XD /evilgrin
Put the gun away champ, I mean no harm.
Lawsuit: State trooper preached about Jesus during traffic stop
Selected paragraphs:
Quote: Ellen Bogan expects police to protect and serve — not proselytize.
But she says Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pitched Christianity to her when he pulled her over for an alleged traffic violation in August on U.S. 27 in Union County....
Bogan and the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana have filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit alleges he violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights when he probed into her religious background and handed her a church pamphlet that asks the reader "to acknowledge that she is a sinner."....
"The most important thing for people to understand is that the First Amendment specifies that the government shall not prefer one religion over another religion, or religious adherence over anything else," said Jennifer Drobac, a professor at the Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law in Indianapolis who has studied religion and government.
"The police officer is representing the government ... so that means, as a representative, this person, while on duty, while engaged in official action, is basically overstepping and is trying to establish religion."....
Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, said that although the traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, he questioned whether a police officer should lose his right to free speech because he is wearing a badge.
"I have people pass out religious material all the time. Mormons come to my door all the time, and it doesn't offend me," Clark said. "(This case) might not be the most persuasive time to talk to someone about their faith, but I don't think that a police officer is prohibited from doing something like that."....
That cop is so lucky he didn't run into someone like me. I would having him doubting his faith in less than five minuets.
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