On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

You don't get to play the clever John Oliver card after having your *** served, btw.

I cure in Dark Staff, not even Pluto's because i can't invest even that into WHM

Clever and john olviver used in a setence??

If all you do is overcure, why bother with any improvements? Tamaxchi, Bokwus Gloves, Alaunus cape, Eber Body/Legs. Done. The truth is much simpler, you don't want to accept that Raetic could have a use because you either can't accept change or don't like the thought of dropping that much gil on it to be up to date.

Overcures are never completely wasted, they're still bumping up your cureskin.

He's right about you cheating tho.

Yea, I cheat. Not sure why everyone's pissy about it today. Need me to shout it from a rooftop? Everyone knows I cheat. You're a broken record.

He's not wrong. (Partially).

You jumped on the raetic is dabes pretty hard after being certain it wasn't as good as chatoyant without even looking.

His second half is right, but meh, it's not something we don't all know.

This is about as far off topic as you can possibly get though so isn't worth pursuing, and you shouldn't be posting PM's in the thread.

The original quote you pointed out 3+ pages ago was in regards to NQ.



No mention of the Cure+50, which makes the difference. You used the cure potency number from a NQ rod. NQ raetic straight up loses to Chatoyant, as was stated back then.

I never said anything about nq or hq. All i said was "is it worth using" or echoed a previous posts question.

I mentioned the cure potency on the nq, i wasn't asking about the nq specifically.

You asked if it was worth using and mentioned the stats of NQ(20 cure pot instead of 23), the rest of the discussion didn't have +1 mentioned even once. I specifically addressed the stats of NQ, made no mention of the "Cure"+ exclusive to HQ. It's a 4 month old post that really shouldn't have been brought up at all, but should be obvious it was in regards to NQ. I don't know why it's so important to try to prove me wrong.

When in the history of the universe has anyone asked "hey is this good" and wasn't immediately told "get the HQ"

HQ is always assumed.

Then the follow up, "is nq ok"

I don't know how I can spell this out more clearly.

My post assessed the stats of NQ versus Chatoyant. You can see that by looking at the numbers, I stated 20 cure potency and did not mention "Cure"+50.

Your post mentioned the stats of NQ. You stated 20 cure potency.

The HQ has 23 cure potency.

Are you seriously still running with this? Sure, I was talking about HQ and just happened to do so using NQ stats..

Why were we talking about NQ? I don't know. Escutcheons hadn't crashed the entire market yet and requiring a rune weapon as a material was quite the roadblock. HQ probably still seemed unattainable.

You of all people know god damn well anytime someone askes about NQ HQ gets brought up with it.

DO you even own one piece of gear that's NQ, get *** real.

No mention of either piece, saying that the potency is weaker than storm.

I said the exact difference in %, 10. If I was talking about HQ, it would have said 13. Seriously, what is wrong with this thread. Do you get a trophy if you convince someone I was wrong 4 months ago..? I have no idea what I was thinking at the time or why I was talking about NQ, but it is pretty clear that I was.

Just *** admit you were wrong jesus christ. It happens.

You didn't know how good the +1 was and you ***on it without even looking. ***. It's not that hard. No one *** cares if you're wrong occasionally.

I honestly can't tell you if I was thinking of NQ or +1 at the time of a post 4 months ago, because I don't catalogue every post I make with supporting evidence.

Looking at the post, it is explicitly outlining and comparing the stats of NQ. There is no reason to believe I was talking about HQ that I can see. If I was looking at HQ, I would likely have at least made some comment about the value of the "Cure"+ or used the cure potency amount from HQ. At the time, there had only been one HQ sold on any AH, a 500m self sale on Ragnarok. My impression is that I considered HQ out of reach and not worth discussion at the time.

If I was thinking of HQ, then I was wrong. Once the topic was pulled back up, I ran numbers and posted appropriate information confirming that HQ is in fact better than Chatoyant in terms of cure amount.

This is utterly ridiculous, you're carrying on just to try to prove I was wrong 4 months ago. I have obviously acknowledged and supported the current situation in the interest of spreading correct information.

I'm super late to this party. The positive outcome of this debate is that, should anyone find a situation wherein they wish they could cure for more and aren't as concerned about their MP, they could invest in HQ.
I think that is a very powerful discovery. If the need never arises, that's okay. But to have the option should such a need arise is awesome.
I think it is really cool when people begin with one belief and then run the numbers to discover a different conclusion.

I'm not even sure the outcome to be honest. As soon as the jabbering started I stopped reading the thread. CW, can you summarize for me quick?

read the thread you lazy ***

tl;dr just make a party of tarus as they have less HP to heal

I think Comeatmebro did a great job of illustrating the benefits, costs and outcome, so I'll summarize with his our quotes. If there are any errors, it is likely on my part and due to how I condensed the discussion.


For that 30% or so increase in MP cost, a WHM would get:

Hello! is there updated Stoneskin set or something I overlooked. please post your best ones. thanks!

ItemSet 357734

Nothing changed.
-Nodens gorget
-Stone mufflers
-Siegel sash
-Earthcry earring
-Shedir seraweels

That's all you need in midcast.

Well, WHM can't wear stone mufflers, but other than that, yes.

I wouldnt know that cause i never got them :(

That was not an easy BC back in the day... It's easy now, but still a bit annoying to farm all the boxes needed for the BC pop.