On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

And yet, they have to start over building enmity from scratch, and rebuff themselves so they don't get stomped as soon as they pull hate back. How long does that take?

Between 1 and 20sec for the hate, the buff part can be ignored entirely (the most important buffs in such situation are from the tank himself and are either JAs or very quick casts).

There is only one thing that can delay either, whether or not your DDs are garbage. And that's from a PLD perspective, I keep reading that RUN is even better at both of those things, it must be even more irrelevant in practice if you have one.

Outside of an actually good DD with proper sets or a co-tank, there is nothing that a tank can't get hate off within 5 seconds.

Most DDs without enmity capabilities have something to pseudo tank temporarily; war gets defender (and retaliation ups dps), monk gets counter/perf counter (and lolcounterstance), sam gets seigan/third eye, etc.

Holy*** all these ppl reasoning with this level of retardation what a shame, Even for a non-posting mostly reader i couldn't hold myself from publicly calling out such a retard/arrogant/weakling/crybaby, Without even having to prove why or explain to him why. I duno what u guys do to think proving points justifying why replying to someone like this.

I started testing the Protect line of spells for the increases to update the wiki. Once I got to Protectra V I noticed what they stated in the update notes is not true. (That it was going to be the same value as 5/5 merits with old Emp augment.

Old 5/5 with Emp on was worth 220 Defense now it's worth 205. So is Protect V now.

I haven't gotten around to Shell testing yet will do later or tomorrow. Will make an official forum post that will most likely be ignored once I have though.

P.S. If someone already posted this sorry but I tried reading back the last few pages and it's a hot *** mess of mostly useless ***.

Reminder that Nyaarun is a troll and is waiting for nothing else than for people to engage him, so he then can feel all righteous by telling us we're dumb and he's the only smart one. He's now even opening new threads hoping that people will engage him.
Ignore and move on!

TL;DR: Nyaarun is a troll and tries on purpose to trigger us so he can keep baiting. Do not feed the troll, just ignore his statements.


Yeah, a bunch of us had noticed already. There's already posts in the official forums about it, I think? Hopefully they'll at least read it even if they won't reply. Doesn't hurt to post more, according to their update notes it's certainly a bug.


This is why we must be united in ignoring trolls.

I'm bummed the added Silence and Petrified to Sacrifice.... One of the amazing things about it is you couldn't incapacitate yourself completely.

The error is that the Piety feet and legs augment text now says Afflatus Solace/Misery instead of Pro/Shell, most likely because the text on the item is retrieved from the merit categories that were changed.

We’d like to continue discussions with everyone, but first, we wanted to explain the reasoning behind why the development team decided to make adjustments to the white magic spells Esuna and Sacrifice.

The onset of this was the fact that compared to Afflatus Solace, the chances to use Afflatus Misery were extremely few and far between. From there, we wanted to separate Esuna and Sacrifice from the overall concept of Afflatus Misery, which is to have the white mage on the front lines trying to take damage first.

We are aware that there were times where the previous method was useful and some previous strategies will become obsolete. However, when looking it as a whole, we have determined that the new adjustments will increase situations where it will become more effective.

If the community believes that this decision was a mistake, then we’ll consider reverting the changes made to Esuna and Sacrifice. We’d appreciate if you could please continue to leave your comments and let us know which method (old or new) was more effective.

I honestly wouldn't undo the change. I would let Sacrifice transfer all debuffs to the White Mage under Solace like it used to though, leave Esuna as it is.

IMO the draw of sacrifice is the massive number of debuffs you could remove with it in Solace though. No point in using it if it only removes 1, because Erase does that too, is affected by Divine Veil, and with JSE neck removes more debuffs.

So for me the only time I ever used it was for ST20, and for when someone had more than 3 debuffs. Now that can be dangerous if you use it and one of the debuffs is petrify.

In Misery, Erase will be much better, except for ST20