Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close

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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:49:48  
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I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.

I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.

People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)

I don't understand religious people at all.

Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?

Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV".
Maybe because people don't think you're the expert on how other people should behave?

That literally has nothing to do with what I said.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:50:34  
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I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.

I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.

People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)

I don't understand religious people at all.

Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?

Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV".

I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.

@Ravael - Right, which is why my biggest issue is forcing your morality on others. It lets you justify killing someone because they are evil. They fail to understand that if they think it is ok to kill someone because that person doesnt agree with their beliefs, they also have to be ok with getting killed by someone else that disagrees with them.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 17:51:25  
14 pages and no lock ? All the purple bar sensitives must be avoiding this thread like the plague
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:51:46  
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Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.

And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 17:52:28  
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I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.

I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.

People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)

I don't understand religious people at all.

Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?

Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV".
Maybe because people don't think you're the expert on how other people should behave?

That literally has nothing to do with what I said.

You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:52:58  
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I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.

You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.

You obviously care.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:54:06  
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Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.

And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
It's a test of faith - Many employers actually use this type of thing to test if an employee is just kissing ***, or can stand their ground against a superior and say "NO!"

Apparently, if you did read the bible, God was famous for testing his followers.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:54:39  
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I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.

You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.

You obviously care.

It was an example to support my position. I could write about bacon instead if you like? Or tea, or alcohol, or drugs, w/e.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:55:02  
write a story about gay bacon!
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:55:35  
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You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.

Correct. Your response implies that I believe I know best and everyone should follow what I believe, hence your remark on how other people don't think I'm the expert on how others should behave.

My actual sentiments was wanting to know why he behaves the way he does.

World of difference between the two.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 17:55:43  
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Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.

And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?

It all depends on how you view it. It seems to me that the whole point of Abraham's trial was to see if he would do the very last thing he would ever want to do. It was a test of sheer obedience.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:57:01  
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.

Correct. Your response implies that I believe I know best and everyone should follow what I believe, hence your remark on how other people don't think I'm the expert on how others should behave.

My actual sentiments was wanting to know why he behaves the way he does.

World of difference between the two.
Its not a behavior anymore than atheism is a belief. It's a lack of behavior. I don't do, think, or say anything.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:57:22  
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Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.

And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?

It all depends on how you view it. It seems to me that the whole point of Abraham's trial was to see if he would do the very last thing he would ever want to do. It was a test of sheer obedience.
I would have so failed that test.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:57:29  
Bacon goes well with potatoes.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-16 17:58:36  
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
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Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.

And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
Implying:
1- I knew it was God speaking to me
2- I know the truth behind existence, life & death, and the afterlife

Then it's the logical thing to do lol
All that and even then, no kid was sacrificed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 17:58:57  
So, can we call this a potato thread now?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 18:00:38  
Yeah, I'm done. My tummy is growling.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 18:01:00  
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I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.

You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.

You obviously care.

It was an example to support my position. I could write about bacon instead if you like? Or tea, or alcohol, or drugs, w/e.

We're obviously not getting through to one another.

On some level, we're on the same page, as in we both don't care about other people's sexuality. The difference is, you need to come up with reasoning and justification so you wouldn't care about these things. It makes it sound like you need to convince yourself that not caring is the correct response to the issue.

Hence the question: why? Why do you need to come up with these reasons to believe what you do?

If you don't want to answer, then fine, it's not something I'll lose sleep over. I'm just puzzled by it, that's all.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 18:01:35  
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write a story about gay bacon!
Bacon wrapped hot dogs.



The end.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 18:01:45  
Did you know, that with some obscure statistical *** I could make up, but won't, that more people become hungry at the mention of potatoes than the mention of any other food product?
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 18:03:33  
probably the best funny response to that, especially with the picture
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 18:04:31  
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Implying:
1- I knew it was God speaking to me
2- I know the truth behind existence, life & death, and the afterlife

Then it's the logical thing to do lol

I'd tell that god to piss off, but that's just me.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-16 18:05:57  
Looks like I'm the only one who'd bother to ask why.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 18:22:33  
Asura.Alexandero said: »
I would have so failed that test.
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
I'd tell that god to piss off, but that's just me.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Looks like I'm the only one who'd bother to ask why.
I think a vast majority of people would be in line with what you guys are saying, which is what makes it interesting. I'd probably fail too.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 18:34:01  
Just got back. Taken 3 sucks.. On a good note, the lumps in my back I thought were tumors turned out to be knots and they have been massaged out. (I've never had knots before)

Since this is now a debate about God, I'll post this video that pretty much sums up Islams understanding on God. Not preaching but if you want to distinguish the fundamental and main difference between Islam and Christianity, its summarised nicely in this vid.


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or, if you don't like hairy greek muslims, you can watch this animation.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 19:17:27  
Sometimes I wonder if guys like him would have grown up to become intelligent, rational human beings if he was not indoctrinated into religion at a young age.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 19:18:00  
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Sometimes I wonder if guys like him would have grown up to become intelligent, rational human beings if he was not indoctrinated into religion at a young age.
Guys like who?
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 19:18:45  
"Hairy Greek Muslim" sounds like a funny cartoon I'd watch.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 19:19:01  
The guy in the first video.

At least he's probably smarter than the banana guy.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 19:22:56  
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The guy in the first video.

At least he's probably smarter than the banana guy.

He's pretty intelligent. With no formal education, training or experience in debate he has shut down Dawkins and Krause. His academic qualifications and merit are pretty intense though. He's intelligent in every measure there is.

Also, FYI - he's a revert (wasn't born muslim).
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