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There is a significant amount of differences. Most christian religions although do teach it is wrong, teach that it is a choice. Ultimately it will be up to the person what they do. Ignoring that though, our country doesn't work like you seem to imply it should. The problem is because of the freedoms we have, you are equating a conclusion of what the whole is based off the few that choose to exercise their freedoms to do exactly what the people for gay rights are doing. To conclude that this is one-sided is also ignorant of that fact. Also, considering that this is something our country was founded on. Anyways, this could keep going on why Christianity is validated here.

Yes, well, some standards are also old-fashioned and antiquated and need to go. "The golden rule" isn't so much a standard as a moral, which does not require any sort of God to enforce. It's common sense. "Don't be shitty to other people."

But that's really the point, isn't it? "Standards" are not enforceable and are not even well-defined. So don't expect immigrants to "conform" to them, especially since a lot of things that many consider standards were brought here by immigrants in the past 100 years anyhow.

The old gasoline on the fire trick....

America has been the dumping ground / every other country on the planet's solution to housing the criminally insane...

you know why europe is boring? because most of their *** are here.

Fair enough, to save the effort of a smaller argument, I will concede to just say laws. My point is valid enough with that.

How many of them have ever expressed intent to immigrate here? They're going anywhere that will accept them.

To who exactly are they old-fashioned and need to go? The people who are against these ideals? Spouting 2016 doesn't magically change rules because they were created in X time-frame. Reminds me of someone the other day who said that Liberals should ignore everything in the constitution and create whatever rules they want because of when it was written.

Also, last 100 years? What?

It's a culture problem some culture's just don't get along with one another.

Islamic culture in the past and still remnants of the spirit of its past conquered nations and still to this day attempt to.

This is not America's first introduction to Islamic dominance and we fought back against it in 1794 and 1800 to 1816 with both President Jefferson and Madison. One response I admire Madison saying over the war between the muslim Nations around Tripoli for securing trade for American vassals was this.

" it is a principal incorporated in the settled policy of America, that as peace is better than war, War is better than tribute"

The tribute he was speaking of was of the money the Islamic pirates of those nations practicing economic jihad against America stealing our ships and enslaving our sailors for ransom.

Today Islam is demanding Tribute from America in the form of looking away and apologizing and accepting there conquering culture.

I say we stop looking away , stop apologizing, and fight back if they can't accept American culture we do not cower to anyone.

Id argue you've never been to Europe then...

We just make sure to arm them all here...

Isn't what makes America great the fact that we all are different that we come from different backgrounds and faiths and everything else... At one point or another all your families emigrated here looking for something better as many still do... Do we just choose now to cut everyone off because we are the true Americans? Or do we continue to build and welcome diverse people's like we have?

yeah... we're chock full of ***...what's your point?
and what does that have to do with trump?

Christianity isn't validated... The only real difference is that we were smart enough here not to let religion rule out country..

What did the church do when they found out thousands of innocent children were molested and violated by the clergy? They defended them to their fullest of course. They protected themselves as much as possible... Talk about hypocritical...

Look Christianity isn't inherently bad and most of its followers are pretty vanilla... Point stands that they still ad always have admonished groups of people... So you know Christianity is a lot like the Muslim faith... There are a lot of people that just want to worship in peace for whatever reason they choose to. Not everyone is a ranting lunatic out to physically harm people... Not just your religion is the right or best one...

did we let germans,italians and japanese immigrate here during world war 2?

NO.

there's a war on dude. and common sense dictates we should not allow our enemies to infiltrate our country during war time because we're so caught up in politically correct ***.

It's one part of history that makes America great, and technically still is. The problem isn't letting in immigrants. The US wants to do that and loves doing that. The problem is letting in a specific group that has members that have been responsible for multiple terrorist attacks over recent history till things can get under control. This is in no way preventing immigration as a whole, nor saying Muslims will never be able to enter the country.

Idk if anything has to do with trump in this trump thread! I am also disappointed you opposed throwing more gasoline on the fire! I assumed you already had Parker out getting more gasoline!

Trump's an ***, *** are relevant.

At last you point out your ignorance. You were to the "the church" as what church exactly? You literally just implied we are all one in the same. Christianity is nothing like the Muslim faith except believing in a deity. The fact that you just said that is actually somewhat disgusting of your intelligence and makes me curious why I'm even arguing this. Go pick up some religious text and educate yourself...... please.

Thank you for reiterating my original statement

But like Obama has said we don't have a religion check and also not all Muslims are from the Middle East nor are they all involved with terrorism... I mean couldn't they just say they're not Muslim? Wouldn't it be more accurate that we would ban people from certain regions? What if there's a Muslim from Australia wanting to come here but says he's Christian?

It's ridiculous to say ban all Muslims... It's mostly just inflammatory and does more to divide people's here than anything...

If you get bored later read about the aftermath of the "freedom flotilla" it was when Castro emptied his insane asylums and prisons into south florida...

it's super easy to forget about with only 3% of people in the country doing the actual work / killin'.

I'd say the same to you... Do you have any idea what the Muslim faith is about or just tidbits that people fed you?

Granted I should have specified the catholic faith as I was born into that and lived within that community my whole life... I've seen the good and the ugly within it... You mark me for generalizing but that's what you e been doing this whole time... You've not specified a certain brand of Christianity or told us why yours is better than the others...

Wouldn't you think that doesn't relate to our actual immigration process?

yes it is. trump is not a politician and doesn't put things in a politically correct way

but I think we should ban everyone from the "Axis of Evil" that we have been carpet bombing and drone striking for the last thirty years and stop pretending they don't have hard feelings about it.

They would go through the proper channels to allow him in. This isn't rocket science. The point, again, is to prevent any further terrorist acts at all costs till this can get under control. There is no ultimate goal here of preventing Muslims from entering the country forever. The fact still remains. Most of the terrorist attacks in recent history have come from the same group of people.

Let me ask you this? Where would you start? Since it is apparent you don't want to cut off allowing them into the US, how will you prevent it once they are in? Besides somehow magically creating something that somehow tracks these people. I do see an issue though of just like all criminal activity, they will still find a way, possibly ultimately hurting people who genuinely want into the country, but something has to happen.

Finally an interesting point of conversation!

This is one of the biggest problems associated with immigrants, not just islamic ones.
Unfortunately most of these people tend to remain partly segregated out of the actual culture of the country they get into. You tend to see them associating with likewise people and so they create their own radicalized subculture that in some cases has a difficult time meshing with the local people. This is why a lot of "little x" exist in the world, cause immigrants remain in the outskirts.
Now, this is often their own fault, we have to admit it, they just go where they feel it's more easy to adapt, which means where others like them are already living. But I say administrations are also greatly at fault in many cases, offering no help to make sure these people get integrated into the new culture. And I don't mean just logistically, but even simple things like say social programs.

I have not done any of this actually. I don't need to tell you my faith, because my argument isn't based on needing to know the knowledge. However, everyone knows that there are many different Christian religions. There has been no generalization that all Muslims are terrorist. They do however AGAIN, HAVE PEOPLE IN THEIR GROUP WHO HAVE COMMITTED THE MAJORITY OF TERRORIST ACTS IN RECENT HISTORY. I hope caps and bold help read that part since I keep pointing it out, yet you keep ignoring it.

At all costs you say? So you're willing to allow the government to do whatever they want to prevent another attack?

Also, you're ok with allowing Muslims in then after a check of course... But how would you know to check him? How would you know he is Muslim? He's native Australian born not from the Middle East.

Most of the terror attacks in recent history in America have not been perpetrated by Muslims...

How do we stop any criminal? What do we have in place to do any of that? Of all the Muslims we've let into the country how many have been the perpetrators of these events? The last two were American born citizens... So tell me what are we doing now that hasn't been sufficient? Like nik has pointed out its less about religion and more about region... Why do you fear Muslims so much when more violence in America is citizens against citizens of all races and creeds yet you don't seem so adamant about stopping that as illogically banning all Muslims...

I'd say difference between christian sects is no bigger than the difference of sunni and shia.

Except when it comes to America they are not in the majority for terrorist attacks... So you'd be wrong there... You're basing you're supposed knowledge off of nothing more than guesses from your limited world view...

There are many different off shoots of Christians which they don't really differ all that much... Makes you wonder how so many different sects can spawn from one body... Who interpreted what in this specific way to determine that yeah hey this one is what we should be doing now? Where is the legitimacy? Personally I don't really care that much because people believe what they want and that's all fine and good..

I'd imagine you know little to nothing about the Muslim faith since you know you completely dodged that after telling me to go pick up the good book.

It's probably best you don't share what your faith is... Idk why you wouldn't but yeah keep faith to ones self is for the best..