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By Siren.Kyte 2016-01-04 01:18:02  
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Bernie running against Hillary and Trump would be a much more likely scenario. But the media doesn't think that would make a good story.

There is zero chance Bernie would ever run as a 3rd party presidential candidate.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 02:32:55  
Because? Don't hurt yourself.
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By Siren.Kyte 2016-01-04 02:59:47  
It should be pretty obvious.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 03:14:16  
Yeah.. It should..

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Saturday that he raised more than $33 million for his primary campaign in the final quarter of 2015, just shy of the $37 million that Hillary Clinton reported a day earlier.

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zero chance
Is a ridiculous statement.
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By Jassik 2016-01-04 08:45:06  
There's the idea, that a failed primary candidate turned independent general candidate would pull votes away. Everyone blames Perot for Clinton.

Sanders has stated he won't go 3 party, and I tend to think he's telling his honesty truth most of the time.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-04 10:17:12  
Siren.Kyte said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Bernie running against Hillary and Trump would be a much more likely scenario. But the media doesn't think that would make a good story.
There is zero chance Bernie would ever run as a 3rd party presidential candidate.
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Because? Don't hurt yourself.
Lack of ego and a strong desire not to hand the election over to the GOP.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 14:46:53  
Did you seriously just say The Bern is lacking ego?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-04 16:57:48  
Let me restate.

Does not have the kind of ego for a third party run.
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By Jassik 2016-01-04 17:57:02  
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Did you seriously just say The Bern is lacking ego?

I don't think you could be in the public eye without some level of megalomania, but Sanders isn't that type to run for the dem nomination then go independent
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 19:49:55  
I like how you guys make it sound like I said he has a 100% chance of doing it.
Altimaomega said: »
Bernie running against Hillary and Trump would be a much more likely scenario.

Then this guy says this.
Siren.Kyte said: »
There is zero chance Bernie would ever run as a 3rd party presidential candidate.

And I stand by this.
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Is a ridiculous statement.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 19:54:44  
When they make Hillary the nominee, it would not surprise me in the least that The Bern would take his fairly large following and run against her. Mainly because we and he knows she is not going to win anyways.

Either way Trump v Hillary or Bernie is going to be a hilarious thing to watch this year.
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By Jassik 2016-01-04 21:28:27  
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When they make Hillary the nominee, it would not surprise me in the least that The Bern would take his fairly large following and run against her. Mainly because we and he knows she is not going to win anyways.

Either way Trump v Hillary or Bernie is going to be a hilarious thing to watch this year.

Trump has a much better chance of beating Hillary than Sanders. With Hillary he can take her to task over any manner of things, with Sanders all he's got is jibes about socialism, which Sanders has a coherent answer to every one of them. If trump does after him on just about any topic, he's only going to win more undecided voters for the dems.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-01-04 23:03:55  
Its just a conservative fantasy that Bernie would make a third party run. Its not based on any facts. He has gone on the record in saying he won't, there is nothing to suggest he is lying or there is a chance he could change his mind. But the neocons will spend the next 6 months trying to talk about it.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-04 23:19:50  
lol yeah, I forgot Democrats don't lie.

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2016-01-05 00:59:36  
Unless Sanders comes within a few points (~5% maximum) if he loses the nomination to Hillary, I can't see him attempting a 3rd party run.

The silent (although not as silent as one might think) majority of Sanders supporters would vote for Hillary if he loses the nomination.

There must be some statistics somewhere on notable 3rd party presidential candidates when it comes to party nominations they lost, meaning numbers of democrats who lost their party's nomination and went 3rd party versus republicans who lost their party's nomination and went 3rd party. I want to say that it's more often republicans, but it could actually be an even split.

In any case a 3rd party run has never been even remotely successful. I don't see this election being the groundbreaking time where a 3rd party run comes even close to getting double digit electoral votes, never mind actually coming in close to winning. Besides in 24 (I might be wrong on this number but it's around there) states the electoral votes can go for whomever they want, regardless of popular votes or otherwise.

The whole system is pretty defunct at its core to begin with to think some magical 3rd party candidate or even a non-mainstream candidate has a chance to win. Unless you're in a swing state like Ohio, Virginia, or Florida (a few others too) your vote is pretty pointless anyway. Good luck getting California to ever have its electoral votes cast for a republican candidate, for instance.

The whole get out and vote thing, rock the vote, I voted, and so on gimmicks are just feel good moments to make people feel like they matter.

The Democrats had their turn with the WH, Senate, and HofR and now the pendulum is swinging red so just start getting used to a republican president at the end of this year. The big question is who. Bush was supposed to be the guy and still might be. Trump would be funny, but I don't see it happening. Rubio, seems too young, but statistically has shown to hold up against everyone in every match up for awhile now.

It still sounds a little odd to me, President Rubio. Maybe it's just because he's a little young (age 44), but that's where all the numbers point to.

Nothing is 100% though, so it's definitely entertaining to watch.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-01-05 12:03:27  
In a "perfect" world both Sanders and Trump would break off, setting a precedent for four parties. Realistically, we all know that's never going to happen. Too pragmatic of a solution to have a candidate for Evangelical-Theocratic Conservatives, Conservatives, Moderates and Liberals.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-05 13:40:37  
I actually would like to hear some convincing arguments about why the 2-parties election system of the US is a good model. Because to me it seems really restrictive.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-05 14:07:43  
Only thing I can come up with is most Americans can only pay enough attention to decide what color they like Blue or Red.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2016-01-05 17:19:28  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I actually would like to hear some convincing arguments about why the 2-parties election system of the US is a good model. Because to me it seems really restrictive.
Good luck, cause it's a terrible model and most people I've heard from and people on here aren't fans of it either.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-01-05 17:31:16  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I actually would like to hear some convincing arguments about why the 2-parties election system of the US is a good model. Because to me it seems really restrictive.
Good luck, cause it's a terrible model and most people I've heard from and people on here aren't fans of it either.

^This.^

It funnels people into ideologies that they might not be fully on-board with and compromise with individual principles that may be the antithesis of what they uphold for what a person might perceive as "the greater good" and all that jazz.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-05 17:51:14  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I actually would like to hear some convincing arguments about why the 2-parties election system of the US is a good model. Because to me it seems really restrictive.
It isn't constitutionally mandated you know. Its just tradition.

And today the "Bipartisan Committee on Presidential Debates" was set up to, and intends to, prevent a viable third party from ever existing.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-05 21:22:44  
It's interesting that every single person here can agree our two party system is an absolute joke.

We all know it is not going away and the only people that are trying to change the current screwed up Republican Party right now are thought to be worse than the Idiots who are quickly losing the majority.

The main reason Trump is so damn popular, he is seen as outside the Establishment which everyone is so sick of.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2016-01-14 16:26:06  
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-20 19:20:39  
Palin Endorsement Widens Trump’s Lead Among Idiots
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DES MOINES, Iowa (The Borowitz Report)—An endorsement from former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is expected to widen Donald J. Trump’s already impressive lead among so-called “idiot voters,” an aide to the billionaire said on Tuesday.

While Trump was previously thought to have a lock on the idiot vote heading into the Iowa caucuses, a recent surge by Senator Ted Cruz, of Texas, has put the idiots back in play.

Cruz has worked tirelessly in recent weeks to tailor his message to undecided idiots, even revamping his stump speech to rid it of two-syllable words.

“That’s why Palin supporting Trump and not Cruz is such a win for us,” the Trump aide said. “She’s been out of politics for awhile, but she still has idiot cred.”

The aide said that no one should be surprised by the bond between Palin and Trump. “They’re both reality-show hosts,” he said. “And by lowering the bar in 2008, Palin singlehandedly made Trump’s candidacy possible.”

But even as the Trump campaign staffers celebrate the Palin endorsement, they recognize that they still have their work cut out for them to secure victory in Iowa. “Getting the idiots to support Trump is only half the battle,” the aide said. “Now we have to make sure that they make it to the caucuses without getting lost on the way.”
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-20 19:43:21  
lol, Trump has some idiot followers but nowhere near as many as Obama did/does. Can you Imagine an article written like this is 2008 about Obama. The uproar it would have created would have been outrageous.

Is this another of your "Republican" News sources Chanti?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-20 19:47:10  
Oh no. The New Yorker has a New York attitude and leans liberal.

Long ago they were kinda Rockefeller republican.
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-20 19:53:49  
Why do I need to use sarcasm tags all the time! And why choose to answer that and not the entire point before it..
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-20 23:18:45  
Thanks to Chanti I have to comment on this..

After seeing a few covers of this rag thanks to her, I am really starting to wonder if people still think the Republican party is the racist party?

The hate and racism coming from the left is really starting to show through lately. Wonder why..
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-01-21 09:24:34  
The Post is part of the Murdock empire and slightly to the right of Fox "news".
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-01-21 09:46:33  
J.J.Christ where the hell do you see racism in that title? It's a reference to the whole diatribe about black actors getting the shaft at oscars(which is debatable but not the point).
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