Trump Talk™

STRANGE! Cuz I live in the NYC tri-state area and am surrounded by South American LEGAL latinos whom feel the same way as I do. Go figure.

New York? Don't you all have a very established Puerto Rican population? Are we talking legitimate first-gens? I'm guessing it's not the Latinos fleeing El Salvador or Guatemala that you're talking about here.

Because they are.. They committed a crime. I.E. "Criminal".

Nobody hates illegal immigrants more than the people who actually went through the process legally. The process is utter ***; expensive, complicated, and carrying more bureaucracy than is healthy for anyone to be around for any length of time.

The correct answer is to fix the legal immigration process to make it less onerous. I'm not suggesting we stop screening people or anything, but right now even low-risk demographics go through months or years of interviews, fees, and tests. Lower that barrier somewhat, to get the people who want to be here and are willing to put some effort into it. If the process is reasonable, then you have a much better case for really putting the screws to those who circumvent it.

This scenario will never happen, because no one wants to compromise on this position, but a smarter immigration path is essential to the country moving forward. People will always want to come here; getting them legal benefits everyone:

- For them, they aren't subject to deportation or horrible under-the-table wages.
- For us, we can tax/document them appropriately.

Everyone wins, except for 1) total xenophobes (get ***) and 2) people who profit from paying people pennies on the dollar for their labor (also get ***).

And without people being able to take advantage of cheap labor, wages rise and the economy strengthens since more taxes are being paye!. Holy economics Batman!

Random ppl in NJ I work with whom came from all over; Peru, Equador, Columbia, Haiti, Domican Republic and beyond. Some have been here longer than others yet none seem to stand on behalf of ilegals as much as American born individuals themselves whom accept and shelter ilegal immigration. Some of them even come from countries with thier own ilegal immigration issues.
Coming here ilegally is not a solution to any problem whatsoever at all.

I'm for paying people what they are worth. I am not for paying someone to burn my fries and ask if I would like that supersized, 15 dollars an hour.

I think that more than anything is the biggest challenge. Damn near EVERYONE wants to come to the USA. Some just don't give a f+ck if they arrive legally or not which is unaceptable for far too many reasons.

Work ethic, people skills, timeliness, and willingness to learn new things.

If you have those things you will not be making minimum wage for long, if ever.

Why pay hard working Americans higher wage when you can pay hard working Illegal Immigrants pennies and get the same thing?

When?
Don't be taking me out of context again.

You are making no sense.

With no illegal immigrants around working for pennies driving down the wages for hard working Americans. Wages will rise, the economy will strengthen.

As for Your minimum wage angle, anybody who doesn't strive for these attributes
Work ethic, people skills, timeliness, and willingness to learn new things.
deserves no more than minimum wage.

With no illegal immigrants around, more jobs will be available to people with those attributes.

How does this not make sense? And how am I against myself?

I atleast appluad Trump for bringing the ilegal immigration situation to the front. I personally never had any conversations with others about such beforehand whom I thought I might offend. Which was damn near everyone.lol Now I have latinos and blacks both speaking openly and honestly with me about it on a routine basis. Always felt I might offend someone... how ironic most ppl whom I never would have had such a conversation with about due to such preconcieved notions all seem to agree with me or atleast understand my position. Interesting.
Even if Trump loses atleast he brought focus upon such things and hopefully moving forward things will be remedied.

Amazing what happens when political correctness gets tossed out the window. Who knew!

You forgot 3) People who profit from bringing them across the border and/or enslave them for sex trafficking (not only should you get ***, you should get kicked in the nuts by every citizen in this country, all of who should wear steel-toed boots while kicking you in the nuts)

Seriously, it's not the immigrants that are the problem, it's the people exploiting them, especially those who steal more than their money (earned or paid to cross the border) that is the problem.

I really wish the majority of America could find the line though.

There's political correctness, which is idiotic. All the euphemisms in the world aren't going to change basic biology and some things need names. (The evolving/revolving/etc. debate around the word "HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE" comes to mind...)

And there's having the perspective to understand what's actually appropriate evolution of the vernacular and societal thought processes...which is sort of necessary to actual equality, which is something somewhere between what the foot-dragging troglodytes and the ball-crushing extreme feminists want.

Kinda what I meant, yeah.

Both extremes are kinda guilty of continually pushing each other even further out of normal and are really grating to deal with.

Mmm.

I hope we get Mother to deal with it.

And only one mention of Trump in the last page and a half.

/disgusted

See what happens if the random P&R thread is absent for a day?

Floppy, stop rising to Alti's bait.

You play it so well Spicy.