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Chanti handicaps the Republican field
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-07-28 17:49:47
Clinton also did damage to this country. His sexual escapades dominated the national consciousness for over a year the campaign, his entire presidency and forever afterwards . It was unneeded and ridiculous. Obama has had some scandals, but none on that scale.
I don't know how he makes him the best president ever....
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 17:52:07
Best president ever tie between Abe Lincoln and Jimmy Carter !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 17:52:48
What is Jimmy up to nowadays anyway?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-07-28 17:53:17
Well Lincoln fought against vampires, according to absolutely historically correct sources.
You can't top that.
By fonewear 2015-07-28 17:53:50
What is Jimmy up to nowadays anyway?
Farming peanuts and fighting in Palestine !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-28 17:55:27
Well Lincoln fought against vampires, according to absolutely historically correct sources.
You can't top that. is actually a really good book.
By fonewear 2015-07-28 17:57:51
Worst president ever Chester A Arthur. Cause *** em that's why !
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2015-07-28 18:06:22
So, we're discussing the possibility that Clinton was the best of the recent presidents, only to be potentially beaten by Obama? The rose-tinted glasses are strong with this one.
I've asked you and others to make an argument for a better president in the last three decades than Clinton. So far no one has done so. You're saying that Clinton isn't the best. If he isn't, then which president is?
Clinton also did damage to this country. His sexual escapades dominated the national consciousness for over a year the campaign, his entire presidency and forever afterwards . It was unneeded and ridiculous. Obama has had some scandals, but none on that scale.
I don't know how he makes him the best president ever....
I never said that he was the best president ever. He's not. The best president ever was FDR, followed closely by Lincoln. No other president is close to those two. edit: could make an argument for Washington and Teddy Roosevelt, I guess, I take that back.
Where I live now Clinton is definitely not seen with rose-tinted glasses.
Yes but you live in flyover country so who cares?
It is significant yes but the public was ready to support it. It was heading towards gay marriage being passed for years.
As for the affordable care act I don't see what is so "affordable" about it.
My policy doubled because of it. Maybe in the future it will be good but right now I think public opinion is still against it.
Plus I don't like the government telling me I have to buy it. Or be penalized.
I agree re: what you said on gay marriage. Obama waited until it was politically convenient to support gay marriage when there's record of his personal opinion in the 90's as being in favor of it. He still gets credit for being the first sitting president to announce his support of it but I give him an asterisk for being chicken.
I also agree re: the ACA. It's flawed. It's a stop-gap piece of legislation, though, not an endpoint. Forced enrollment or penalty was a necessary part of the ACA. Otherwise it just doesn't work.
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:10:23
I don't have too many problems with Slick Willy. I mean personal problems aside.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 18:11:18
Yes but you live in flyover country so who cares? What country is that again?
By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:12:17
Yes but you live in flyover country so who cares? What country is that again?
Serbia to most Americans you might as well live on the Moon. They are more familiar with it !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 18:15:07
Eh, I wanted them to answer.
American ignorance of other countries is their [other countries] strength.
You think Serbia is a flyover country?
Then no one gets to use any inventions of Nikola Tesla and his name ever.
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:15:56
Tesla that guy that helped create Alternating Current. Otherwise known as the other half of AC/DC !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-28 18:16:30
I've asked you and others to make an argument for a better president in the last three decades than Clinton. So far no one has done so. You're saying that Clinton isn't the best. If he isn't, then which president is?
Reagan has done better in favorability polls than Clinton. If you want to argue between those two, that sounds about right. You were mostly just sounding like, "Gee, I favor the left, so obviously the Democrats are the only good presidents lately, and only a moron would say Carter, so... Clinton and Obama yay!"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-07-28 18:35:50
And I'm curious to know which president out of Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Jr, and Obama was a better president than Clinton. Surely not Reagan? The only president out of those who has a claim of beating Bill is Obama: Spoken like a true partisan hack.
The ACA, flawed but it's the groundwork for true socialized health care in America At least somebody admits that this is the endgoal of ACA. Besides the fact that it's so obvious, any Republican who would have stated that would have been labeled a fearmonger racist.
Brought Bin Laden to justice So, you are saying basically that Obama went out there and captured/killed Bin Laden himself? Never mind that the efforts of almost 10 years by various other people, mostly those who worked in the Bush Administration, lead to his eventual death. But, according to you, Obama pulled the trigger....
-Lowered unemployment from 10% (result of Bush's disastrous presidency) to 5.3% currently While making overall workforce participation at it's lowest since the Great Depression Jimmy Carter levels. Great job there buddy!
-Saved the American auto industry with bailouts You mean those same bailouts that Bush started before he left? Even though it was a bad idea to start with and should have never happened?
Don't worry, we all know that if the bailouts failed, it would have been Bush's fault (and rightly so!)
-Stymied Iran's efforts to get nuclear weapons with a groundbreaking international treaty So, you are guaranteeing that Iran will never create WMDs? Yeah, sure. Go ahead and believe that....
-Nominated two Supreme Court justices who were part of the historic decision to allow gay marriage across the US Like he knew that this issue would have been brought up when he nominated them... Or are you going to say your Lord and Savior Obama can also see into the future? If so, can you ask him what the next lottery numbers are for me please?
-Essentially ended the war in Afghanistan and drastically lowered the number of troops in Iraq Again, Bush was drawing down the war before he left office. He even left a timeline for a pullout which Obama ignored. But hey, anything to rewrite history, right? It's not like you haven't done that already....
Not even going to talk about Clinton's "accomplishments," especially those that happened during a Republican Congress....
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-07-28 18:41:17
While making overall workforce participation at it's lowest What does this mean?
By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:41:44
The unemployment rate is low because of lot of people gave up looking for a job !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-07-28 18:44:21
While making overall workforce participation at it's lowest What does this mean? Less people actually willing to go to work.
The unemployment rate is determined by those who actively seek work. If you have less and less people actively seeking jobs, and no other events happen, the unemployment rate goes down because the number without a job and actively seeking work is a lower number.
And I stand corrected, workforce participation rates have fallen only to Jimmy Carter levels, not Great Depression levels...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-07-28 18:45:31
Why would unemployed people not look for a job..what do they do?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-07-28 18:47:38
Why would unemployed people not look for a job..what do they do? Get on welfare.
Create a "disability" to get SSD benefits (aka defraud the government).
Retire very early.
Be stay-at-home parents.
Become homeless.
Live with relatives.
Among other things that probably wouldn't be appropriate for this forum.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 18:49:25
It's nice to see KN back again. I was a little worried.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-07-28 18:50:33
It's nice to see KN back again. I was a little worried. I didn't get banned, I just had a whole lot of issues in my life that prevented me from even getting home until very late at night.
There was a week where I didn't even get to go home at all....
By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:52:31
Can I claim FFXI addiction as a disability that sounds like fun !
Maybe if I gain a bunch of weight I can get on disability like Homer did. More time to work on that relic weapon yo !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-07-28 18:54:21
Can I claim FFXI addiction as a disability that sounds like fun !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 18:55:49
Can I claim FFXI addiction as a disability that sounds like fun ! That question mark is all that stands in the way...
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:56:28
I'm addicted to having addictions !
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 18:57:50
I have considered looking up sex addict anonymous. You know having sex with sex addicts is part of their therapy !
http://saa-recovery.org/
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-07-28 18:57:58
I'm addicted to hearing about people who are addicted to addictive things. Addictionception, yo.
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By fonewear 2015-07-28 19:01:15
Maybe people aren't really addicts. They just feel guilty about things they enjoy...so they stop doing them.
My therapy for addiction requires you replace one addiction with another.
You are addicted to crack try heroin. Addicted to beer try liquor !
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2015-07-28 19:02:01
Bill's lies were miniscule in comparison.
Whitewater. money laundering for cocaine dealers. Giving money to other countries, then accepting a portion of that money back into his 'foundation'. etc. Yea totally miniscule. And I was referring the the republicans as the old white men someone previously cried about.
Any president was going to be forced to invade Iraq. Keep deluding yourself that there's really a difference between a republican and a democrat politician.
Also, the .com boom blew up around Clinton. He was lucky to be able to ride it. Although since Al Gore created the internet, it is only fair.
As for the question of best president? Imo they all sucked. Some did better in some areas, such as economic growth or military use. Just because I took a nice dump today doesn't mean I can call it the best. A turd is still a turd. I am hopeful, in my lifetime, that at some point people will get serious about their children's future and vote accordingly. Not because of feels or parties. JFK part 2 <<Can I have it?>>
The aca just helps reinforce the theft of the citizens that is medical insurance. The cost for care should be nowhere near where it is today. Instead some fat people in tall buildings profit off of what should be peoples savings accounts, instead making lifetime payments for medical issues that *could* happen.
Sorry bro, actual unemployment is near 28% after deducing disabled, children, and people over 60 according to us census data. Feel free to math me wrong.
Stymied Iran in the same way Clinton stymied North Korea? Yea that worked out well. lol.
Sorry, but the supreme court ruling goes far beyond same sex marriages. It allows for incest, and any other marriage that adults consent to. If you are giving Obama credit for the ruling, why did he not just executive order it like he has so much else? Did he not run the first time against same sex marriage?
Bush started the withdrawl, sorry. Instead Obama and Clinton destabilized the middle east and made relationships with russia fall back to cold-war tensions. Totally a win!
With as little snark as I can manage.
Mind you several candidates deserve a LOT of snark. I will try to do my best to bite my tongue.
The leaders:
Donald Trump
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 19%, New Hampshire: 21%, Iowa 17%, YouGov 28%
Strengths: Knows how to generate publicity. Appeals to the bigots the GOP has been courting for decades, his ego, his fortune.
Weaknesses: High negatives, his ego.
Presidential nomination chance: Surprisingly good ATM.
Vice presidential chance: None.
Jeb bush
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 15%, New Hampshire: 14%, Iowa 12%, YouGov 13%
Strengths: Has won the GoP fundraising primary, darling of the GoP establishment, family connections, his name.
Weaknesses: Highest negatives among probable GoP primary voters, Common Cause, seen as a "big government" Republican like his brother.
Presidential nomination chance: Special case. If no one locks up the nomination in the primaries and its an open convention, an excellent chance. Otherwise a slim chance.
Vice presidential chance: Again, special case. Would he accept after his father and brother have both been president? and there is no chance that having him as VP means carrying Florida.
Scott Walker
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 10%, New Hampshire: 12%, Iowa 19%!!, YouGov 13%
Strengths: Koch brothers funding, impeccable sense of timing, knows when to keep his mouth shut, hero to union busters.
Weaknesses: Ruined his state's economy, could still be indited, despised by unions.
Presidential nomination chance: He has a chance.
Vice presidential chance: He has a chance.
Marco Rubio:
Strengths: Brash, outspoken, beloved by the tea party, Hispanic.
Weaknesses: Lack of experience, HATED by many in the GoP power structure, his mouth.
Presidential nomination chance: slim.
Vice presidential chance: He has a chance.
Ted Cruz
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 6%, New Hampshire: 5%, Iowa 4%, YouGov 4%
Strengths: Brash, outspoken, beloved by the tea party, Hispanic, fairly deep background in governance.
Weaknesses: Lack of exposure.
Presidential nomination chance: He has a chance.
Vice presidential chance: He has a chance.
Rand Paul
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 6%, New Hampshire: 4%, Iowa 5%, YouGov 5%
Strengths: Beloved by the tea party and right libertarians, has a different style than the rest of the pack, His name.
Weaknesses: Hated by the GoP establishment and the arms merchants, can't inherit his father's machine for reasons unknown to me.
Presidential nomination chance: slim
Vice presidential chance: slimmer.
Ben Carlson
Polls: CNN Nationwide: 4%, New Hampshire: 6%, Iowa 8%, YouGov 7%
Strengths: Works a crowd like he has been a politician all his life, Washington outsider, perhaps the most intelligent person in the race.
Weaknesses: Does not know when to shut his mouth, no political experience.
Presidential nomination chance: Snowflake in Hades.
Vice presidential chance: thanks to the GoP affirmative action program a decent chance.
Personal note: I could easily see him as Secretary of HEW, Surgeon General, or head of veteran's health.
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