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Russian Fighter Jet Shot Down By Turkey
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-11-25 13:12:15
If you think about it, the US violates more country's airspace and at a higher rate than Russia does.
We have more bases around the world than any other country. And I'm sure those pilots are making all sorts of training exercises all the time. These two statements have nothing to do with each other? Violation isn't simply being present.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-25 13:16:12
If you think about it, the US violates more country's airspace and at a higher rate than Russia does.
We have more bases around the world than any other country. And I'm sure those pilots are making all sorts of training exercises all the time. These two statements have nothing to do with each other? Violation isn't simply being present. Sorry, but are you saying that the US has permission every single time they have a training exercise?
I seriously doubt that they even bother to let Germany know when they are going to send some jets up in the air every single time, they just do it. Or Japan. Or Italy. Or The Netherlands...
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-25 13:17:05
If you think about it, the US violates more country's airspace and at a higher rate than Russia does.
We have more bases around the world than any other country. And I'm sure those pilots are making all sorts of training exercises all the time. These two statements have nothing to do with each other? Violation isn't simply being present. Sorry, but are you saying that the US has permission every single time they have a training exercise?
I seriously doubt that they even bother to let Germany know when they are going to send some jets up in the air every single time, they just do it. Or Japan. Or Italy. Or The Netherlands... What!?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-25 13:21:04
I wonder what causes that doubt?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-11-25 13:21:05
If you think about it, the US violates more country's airspace and at a higher rate than Russia does.
We have more bases around the world than any other country. And I'm sure those pilots are making all sorts of training exercises all the time. These two statements have nothing to do with each other? Violation isn't simply being present. Sorry, but are you saying that the US has permission every single time they have a training exercise?
I seriously doubt that they even bother to let Germany know when they are going to send some jets up in the air every single time, they just do it. Or Japan. Or Italy. Or The Netherlands... Um, they have permissions, generally by treaty or other agreements.
Also, as a general rule, aircraft (both military and civilian) are required to register with the flight control in the area, and are generally required to be cleared for activities in the area (or otherwise inform them of intended operations), in order to minimize the risk of potential accidents.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-25 13:30:36
the Russian-Turkey issue does not seem the same to me as the Turkey-Greece example, nor of any U.S. examples of which I am presently aware. Nothing in geopolitics is simple.
There is a lot of background information between Turkey and Syria that is not making it into news reports or being ignored by people
For instance:
-Syria shot down one of Turkey's planes in 2012 for doing basically the same thing Russia did.
-Turkey does not like the Syrian leader and wants him gone
-Turkey has claimed Russia is bombing Turkman villages who are rebels against Assad, not ISIS
-Turkey has recieved more than 2 million Syrian refugees since this war started.
There is a history of issues that seems to be glossed over or ignored by many reports.
Edit: And I'm certaintly not an expert in Turkey/Syria history but this event didn't occur in a vaccum, which it seems to be portrayed as. Not specifically pointed at you, just trying to point out and agree that things are complicated
By Ramyrez 2015-11-25 13:35:04
the Russian-Turkey issue does not seem the same to me as the Turkey-Greece example, nor of any U.S. examples of which I am presently aware. Nothing in geopolitics is simple.
There is a lot of background information between Turkey and Syria that is not making it into news reports or being ignored by people
For instance:
-Syria shot down one of Turkey's planes in 2012 for doing basically the same thing Russia did.
-Turkey does not like the Syrian leader and wants him gone
-Turkey has claimed Russia is bombing Turkman villages who are rebels against Assid, not ISIS
-Turkey has recieved more than 2 million Syrian refugees since this war started.
There is a history of issues that seems to be glossed over or ignored by many reports.
Aye. That's kind of what I was meaning though. Russia's playing pretty dirty in the first place and while -- again -- I would have preferred jets not being shot down and pilots not dying, I also get that Turkey had pretty good justification for doing it, and the situation isn't the same as a neighboring country/associate of neighboring country flying training exercises in the region.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-11-25 13:36:05
There is a history of issues that seems to be glossed over or ignored by many reports. Maybe by the reports who only want to pander sensationalism (why report all the facts when people can make up their versions of the facts from the missing pieces?), but not by those who actually know better.
By the way, you might want to stick to one account when posting. When you do both accounts and have each other give commentary, it doesn't help your argument at all.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-25 13:40:51
By the way, you might want to stick to one account when posting. When you do both accounts and have each other give commentary, it doesn't help your argument at all. 
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-11-25 13:46:55
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
There is a lot of irony in this statement too IMO.
Hmm? Because I like Mark Sheppard's expressions? Or him as a demon?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-11-25 13:49:21
By the way, you might want to stick to one account when posting. When you do both accounts and have each other give commentary, it doesn't help your argument at all. 
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-25 13:50:14
Russia has apparently bombed a convoy in Syria (Azaz, near the Turkish border) that was loaded with supplies for refugees
7 dead and 10 injured, 20 trucks were set on fire
A real *** thing to do if true
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-11-25 13:54:46
Thanksgiving finally pushed the turkeys over the edge huh?!
This was a long time coming if you ask me..
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-11-25 13:55:43
Thanksgiving finally pushed the turkeys over the edge huh?!
This was a long time coming if you ask me.. 
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-11-25 14:14:53
Milamber and Kara are two different people, I don't know why this has been questioned in a thread about Turkey, Russia, Jet planes, and hopefully pecan pie.
By Jassik 2015-11-25 15:11:08
Milamber and Kara are two different people, I don't know why this has been questioned in a thread about Turkey, Russia, Jet planes, and hopefully pecan pie.
Because when more than one person disagrees with you, it must be just a singular nutbag.
By Ramyrez 2015-11-25 15:14:59
Milamber and Kara are two different people, I don't know why this has been questioned in a thread about Turkey, Russia, Jet planes, and hopefully pecan pie.
Because when more than one person disagrees with you, it must be just a singular nutbag.
I am my own distinct brand of nutbag!!!!
...wait.
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-11-25 15:48:17
Milamber and Kara are two different people, I don't know why this has been questioned in a thread about Turkey, Russia, Jet planes, and hopefully pecan pie.
Because when more than one person disagrees with you, it must be just a singular nutbag. and all Danish people are the same.
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By Jassik 2015-11-25 15:57:49
Milamber and Kara are two different people, I don't know why this has been questioned in a thread about Turkey, Russia, Jet planes, and hopefully pecan pie.
Because when more than one person disagrees with you, it must be just a singular nutbag. and all Danish people are the same.
Well, they're not actually Danish, they just live there.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-11-25 17:59:42
There's something rotten in Denmark...?
Also...
Why is Russia the only nation standing up against terrorism?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-25 18:06:52
Why is Russia the only nation standing up against terrorism?
Not even remotely true.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-11-25 18:08:57
Why is Russia the only nation standing up against terrorism?
llllllllooooooooooollllllllll
Have you not read a newspaper in years?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-11-25 18:26:44
Why is Russia the only nation standing up against terrorism?
Not even remotely true. It just seems like the US is only pretending to fight ISIS.
Sure the media says we are fighting.
But it doesn't take much digging to realise something isn't adding up for this to be true.
All we are doing is taking down leaders of nations so that terrorist can rise up and take their place.
Why does this keep happening everywhere we go?
Do you all really believe it's a coincidence?
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2015-11-25 18:31:33
So like if this did escalate and nukes were launched, I could imagine one last final announcement:
Gabe Newell: We are delighted to announce that Half Life 3 is in production!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-11-25 18:44:36
It just seems like the US is only pretending to fight ISIS.
I believe you have the US confused with the Russians. I'm not even going to ask you to share the results of your "digging."
http://news.sky.com/story/1593241/turkey-shoots-down-russian-jet-near-border
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983
Reports coming in that a Russian SU-24 fighter jet that was part of the Russian contingent in Syria battling Islamic State has been shot down while in Syrian airspace near the Turkish border. Reports are also coming in that both pilots ejected but one is dead, with videos and pictures (which I won't post here for obvious reasons) circulating showing Syrian rebels with the dead body. The whereabouts of the second pilot is unknown at this stage.
Suffice to say this could, and probably will, become a major international incident. Turkey, a NATO member, has shot down a Russian warplane fighting against Islamic State when it was allegedly not in Turkish airspace. With at least one of the pilots believed to be dead already and the other one on the run in hostile territory this could get very serious very fast. The main point of contention is whether the plane was indeed in Turkish airspace or whether it was not.
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