The Great Debate: Week 1

I think that's really the only reason I've seen for school uniforms. Cheaper, nah, go to K-mart. Behavior correction, lol! Kids will always find ways to differ themselves than other besides cloths and pick on them.

On the other hand, and this is just my opinion, but I really doubt that school uniforms forces conformity among students. Kids can all dress the same and still be individuals, think different, act differently, etc.

The prestigious look though, uniforms definitely do this.

I was in Military School during my 8-12 grade years of school. It wasn't all that bad once you got used to it. The school usually let us wear "civilian attire" on Fridays, that is no one in your homeroom *** up or something.

I expect teenagers to get caught up in superficial crap, like what they're wearing. However, the buck doesn't stop with just the students. I've seen PARENTS get caught up in that superficial garbage. Maybe if parents (not all but some) spent more time parenting then just spoiling their little spawns with everything they want, we [as a society] wouldn't have spiraled into this cycle of materialistic ***. No college or employer is going to give a rat's *** what you dressed your kid in for prom night, ok?

Indeed.

Looks like this thread has a mind of its own. lol Hopefully Karusan doesn't mind the way this is forking off, but he's a friend and hopefully he'll be okay with it. I think mature debate of mature topics was the main aim anyway. D:

To speak further to Katar's point in the last few posts regarding socialism and Fox News, you'd think the people who continually buy into whatever random claim is the new trend against the President would start to get a little mad that whoever they're bed led by doesn't mind lying to them and making them look like fools in the public eye.

When the President has to face angry parents because he wants to tell them to stay in school (on-topic?!) you must admit there's more to this than simply having strong beliefs about politics. lol There are already multiple districts in the country that have declined to air his speech which is frankly sad and pathetic. The baseless hate is very thinly veiled at this point. I'm not implying racism, but whatever it is based upon, it's immaturity at best and flat-out hate at worst.

These people aren't magically acting in unison, they're following whatever they're being told by show hosts and their totally awesome, grassrewtz emails that encourage "taking America back." lol The far right are just being incredibly sore losers and making the entire right wing look like a side-show, so if conservatives have some friggin sense they'd start condemning the morons that are making them look like trash. Their public image can't handle much more. lol

More than I intended to write, and I'm sorry for pulling things off-track, but I felt it was an important point to make.

Yeah let's keep this debate to school uniforms, and save the socialism/communism, etc. politics to the next great debate!

Would you wanna see them dressed like this?



or dressed like this?



I would prefer the uniform. I'd rather see my daughter in a nice uniform, save money, and a clean look.

Have any of you seen some kids these days?

It may be fashion for them etc. but clothes shouldn't matter for learning imo. If they worry of how they dress and keep up with what the trend is, thats a loss of focus to me.

But that's just me.

If it means getting rid of all the nasty looking emo kids, I'm all down for school uniforms. LOl. I would have loved to have them in highschool. Trying to keep up with the latest fashion can be annoying.

u have to buy uniform, least i did

You totally picked the two most spaced-out kids you could find, Aly, those examples aren't fair at allll! lolol Still, it makes a point. I guess it shows that there are really variety of perspectives to see this issue from.

It depends on the child and how they are brought up, I couldn't have given two *** what I was wearing I public school, so focus was never shifted, and with uniforms it was no different.

That second picture is pretty tame, actually. But I agree, either way.

wtf there is a uniform add on my page now. Does google pick stuff to advertise based on words that are being typed? lol

Sure does, Citag. You'll see google pick out lots of weird ads based on phrases found in posts. lol There's a little trick that works for gmail that I got off Lifehacker, kind of curious to see if it works for all google ads.

"Drinking bloody marys all night will make you feel like a corpse in the morning. Vodka slaughters my insides."

Edit: Did the ads disappear for anyone else? I think it worked. lol

Maybe it's just me, but I'm still in High School and with the girls around here I'd say ::uniforms:: would be the distracting kind. At least sometimes they wear stuff resembling clothing in the winter.

Not only that, but I can honestly say that my focus would be more strained in a uniform (so far as I know) if the uniform involved any sort of long-sleeved shirt/sweater type of thing. I run like an overclocked system. I literally can not wear a long sleeved shirt for more than a few hours without wanting to rip my clothing apart.

lol was that supposed to do something Cai?

Yes but calculate how much a pair of jeans you like in trend, shoes, shirts, etc. would cost total.

Then the uniforms cost, shoes, socks. They would reuse the uniforms, wash, iron, and have same ones until they wore out or got ruined.

Yes I was browsing trying to find students close enough but alot were in uniforms, or anime :/, or foreign schools.

I wasn't trying to pick the 2 spacers but it was for the clothing and there are plenty of students that really do just dress bum like or unkept.

It's just an example. I would just prefer to see kids clean and kept up nice.

ever had the big kid in class that he bent over and you saw his crack? Yea not pretty. Or how bout the girls who wear clothes that don't fit? There's lots of kids who look and wear stuff like that.

I know what you mean, Aly, was mostly just messing around. In my experience the kids who looked like ***everyday either just had bad circumstances or didn't care, but were the minority generally in either case.

In gmail if the words blood, corpse and slaughter are found they kill the ads for some reason. It's a really weird quirk, but nice to keep email ad-free. lol

Well, I was the largest person in my school from 3~Graduation :p not large like you speak of, but I outweighed EVERYONE, I wore uniform K~7 and 8~12 public, I needed like specially tailored stuff and ***for uniforms so it costed more, and I owned like 2 pairs of pants all of High school because they just still fit, then again, I bought all my own clothes from 9~, and cared not of what was hip, and I think we should let them wear what makes them happy because happier kids = more willing to learn.

But schools are also changing for how uniforms are too, the middle school by my apartment, they can only wear white shirts, black pants/skirt, and dark colored shoes. But the catch is, you don't need the pants to be slacks, they can just be any black pair of pants - black jeans, girls were wearing black tights, black skirts. The white shirts were polo style, dress tie style, blouse, or casual nice white shirt, no t-shirts.

So some schools are changing the styles to keep the students in their comfortable style but only by certain color.

I think uniforms are a good idea. You're not there to socialize or wear 'cool' attire. You're there to learn. Having everyone wearing the exact same thing or a couple variations of it is beneficial in my opinion because you don't have the "haves" and "have nots". >.>

Honestly I never had to go through wearing uniforms, but I wouldn't mind wearing what that guy is wearing, except for the tie. I hate ties! And can the sweater be optional? Not a fan of them. The rest though I wouldn't mind if I had to wear it, or my kids would have to wear it. I kind of like wearing dress shirts :D

Although I still think the girls should be given the option to wear pants slacks w/e you call them. Is this an option on school uniforms for girls?

You know this "not there to socialize" line is sounding more and more like a *** excuse the more I hear about it. Without school, where would you learn to socialize at that same magnitude? I'm exposed to brand new social situations every day in school. If school wasn't about socialization, we'd walk out like working drones.

I sorta like that. I just dont think its right to force a uniform on people, but setting stern rules also works.

Whether a school uses a school uniform or not doesn't matter as much as long as they do one of the two. When I was still in high school, the school board hired a new woman to be the head of the board, and she changed the dress code drastically, but wouldn't just give us uniforms, so we all had to go out and buy new clothes (most people I know spent at least $200 on a new wardrobe) and then decided the next year that all the clothes that we just bought were too tacky and refined it even more... So, even though I was out of school, my sister still had to buy a ton of new clothes for the next year. Now this year, she's refined it even more so that all the junky clothes my sister bought last year will never be worn again, and they can only wear solid polo shirts that are white/black/school color with khaki or navy pants. My family has dropped at least $500 on clothes that my sister will never wear again once she's out of high school. It goes without saying that this woman is hated by most.

Seriously, even if you have to buy the uniforms, it still ends up being WAY cheaper in the long run. My high school was military + catholic, which meant Class B uniforms M-Thurs, Class A uniforms on Friday. We had to buy the Class A set, but we got 5 shirts and 2 pair of slacks for the Class B, in addition to dress shoes, from the school/Army. If you wore them out from "Fair Wear and Tear" you could exchange them at no cost.

In the end, you might spend a few hundred dollars on clothes for an entire school year, and that was mostly on undershirts, underwear, socks, and the Class A stuff. The A's you could get used from more than a few stores in the area that bought and sold used uniforms for several of the military schools in the area.

Even though everyone wore the same uniforms to school, you still knew who was a jock, who was a "nerd" and so on an so forth. However, being a fairly small school (~300 9-12, all male), we competed in the highest class in sports for the state, and almost everyone played multiple sports, including the "nerds." It also wasn't unusual for the "jocks" to be in the chess club or to act in the school play. It was just that type of school, really.

When my parents sent me there in 7th grade, I wasn't very happy about it, but they said when I got to 9th, I could choose to stay or go back to my home public school district. I opted to stay and I'm very glad for it. I never would have thought all-male, catholic, military, and uniforms would have been something that would work for me, but once you're there for a bit, you don't even notice anymore. Besides that, we had two sister schools which is where most of our female counterparts came from such as cheerleaders, prom dates, etc. They were also uniformed...

The priority of school is to learn information so you don't become a hemorrhoid on the *** of society. Yes, you can socialize at school. Yes, it does help your social skills. But that's not the main reason behind school.

Besides, you can socialize in school uniforms just fine. I don't see a school uniform that constricts your method to talk.

I didn't say it constricted it, I was just pointing out that the statement is utterly *** in my opinion.

I'm in high school right now, and I can 100% truthfully say that I have learned just about jack ***educationally in high school and that it's all about the people skills and how to think. This is coming from someone with a post-100% average. Maybe though that's just a problem with the education system, but that can be an argument for another time.

I'm yelling at Karusan when he wakes up for not being here to moderate these mini-debates that are popping up, I'd really like to see these fleshed out more. lol

I think the same or similar could be said for a college education, too, although many times it leads to a certification that you require for certain jobs.

However, the skills that you really need are required to make it through successfully, it's just that they are not overtly taught (same in high school). These are skills like critical thinking, research, professional writing, interpersonal skills, etc. It's too bad that they don't spend more time focusing on the skill sets that make you successful in adult life and less on facts that you may or may not remember and that may or may not be important.

Sure, math is important, and so is having basic understandings of science, language, and a healthy respect for art, music, etc. However, people need to learn more about why knowing those is valuable instead of just "memorize them because I told you to." Anyhow, that's possibly a topic for a new great debate, so back to uniforms...