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Random Politics & Religion #06
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-06-12 09:59:16
He was apparently mad over seeing two men kissing.
[Mod Edit: Mateen, not Lordgrim. - AnnaMolly]
He probably just wanted the action for himself and was too repressed to admit it. The sad thing is that many gays go to night clubs while still being in the closet to their families, so you have to imagine that some of those families are learning their child, brother, sister, etc. was gay from a notification of their death.
It's a sad thing.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-06-12 10:00:38
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/index.html
Quote: Orlando, Florida (CNN)Approximately 20 people are dead inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, Orlando Police Chief John Mina said Sunday morning, just hours after a shooter opened fire in what authorities are saying is a domestic terror attack.
At least 42 people have been transported for medical treatment, he said. Police have shot and killed the gunman, Mina told reporters.
"It's appears he was organized and well-prepared," the chief said, adding that the shooter had an assault-type weapon, a handgun and "some type of (other) device on him."
Law enforcement sources told CNN that the suspect had possible explosive devices strapped to his body and in his vehicle, but a U.S. official said later that no explosives were found.
At least nine officers were involved in the shootout, Mina said. Several coroner vans were seen traveling toward the nightclub.
One officer suffered an eye injury when a bullet struck his Kevlar helmet, said Danny Banks, special agent in charge of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Orlando bureau. The helmet saved the officer's life, Banks said.
The shooter is not from the Orlando area, Mina said. He has been identified as Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, of Fort Pierce, about 120 miles southeast of Orlando, two law enforcement officials tell CNN.
Swedish news is saying ~50 dead, not sure how accurate it is (maybe CNN hasn't updated it yet)
This right here is not a 2nd amendment issue it is a immigration issue.
Clearly Islamic culture can not coexist with western culture. This is another example of enforcing Sharia Law the price of being homosexual is death.
This will be another political correct issue to cover up Islamic extremism from both the Republican and Democrat parties.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-06-12 10:01:21
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-06-12 10:16:49
Sorry Lordgrim, he was born, and probably radicalized, in America. Emphasis added to the probably radicalized but nothing definite yet parts. He could have been a homophobe who just happened to be Muslim.
What We Know About Omar Mateen, Suspected Orlando Night Club Shooter
ABC news
Quote: Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old U.S.-born citizen, has been identified as the suspect in Sunday's mass shooting that left at least 50 dead and more than 50 others wounded at the Pulse Nightclub, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.
Mateen's parents were born in Afghanistan, and he was "on the radar" of U.S. officials for some time, but was not the target of a specific investigation, law enforcement officials told ABC News.
A police officer working at the club responded to shots fired at 2:02 a.m., and then exchanged fire with Mateen, according to police.
At approximately 5 a.m., the SWAT team made the decision to rescue the hostages, officials said. Mateen was killed in a gunfight with those officers early this morning.
FBI assistant agent in charge of the agency's Tampa division, Ron Hopper, said this morning investigators were "looking at all angles right now" to find a motive.
"We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that, that particular ideology [Islamic extremism]. But right now we can’t say definitively, so we’re still running everything around," he said.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2016-06-12 10:36:51
Now is not the time to talk gun control.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-06-12 10:39:05
Few weeks later
Is it time to talk about gun control now?
Another shooting
Well ***
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By Bahamut.Omael 2016-06-12 10:43:01
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Few weeks later
Is it time to talk about gun control now?
Another shooting
Well ***
For a lot of people it will never be time to talk gun control. Until something happens to them or one of their loved ones, then it'll be "There was no way to prevent this tragedy.".
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By Terlet Sangria 2016-06-12 10:47:55
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Few weeks later
Is it time to talk about gun control now?
Another shooting
Well ***
For a lot of people it will never be time to talk gun control. Until something happens to them or one of their loved ones, then it'll be "There was no way to prevent this tragedy.".
Obligatory: http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131
This right here is not a 2nd amendment issue it is a immigration issue.
Welcome back! Do try to at least attempt reading the news before launching the talking point salvos. He's homegrown, like Chanti said.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-06-12 10:56:25
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Few weeks later
Is it time to talk about gun control now?
Another shooting
Well ***
For a lot of people it will never be time to talk gun control. Until something happens to them or one of their loved ones, then it'll be "There was no way to prevent this tragedy.".
Gun control can not, and will not happen. The right to self defense is one of those inalienable rights granted to all humans "by the creator" and is cemented into the foundation of the US Constitution. No law, not even an amendment could change that. The only way to do so would be to call a constitutional convention and have the Constitution rewritten and ratified again by the individual States. There are more then enough states against "Gun Control" that any attempt at doing such would fail miserably and likely lead to another civil war.
This is one of those area's where States can go tell the Federal government to *** off and there is absolutely nothing the Federal can do about it.
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By Cruz Missive 2016-06-12 11:02:48
We agree on this, but for totally different reasons.
If nothing changed after Sandy Hook, then we need to accept that it is never changing, ever. I don't think a gay nightclub being shot up is exactly going to motivate that demographic.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2016-06-12 11:09:28
We agree on this, but for totally different reasons.
If nothing changed after Sandy Hook, then we need to accept that it is never changing, ever. I don't think a gay nightclub being shot up is exactly going to motivate that demographic.
More than a few people will be cheering that them *** done got what was comin' to 'em.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-06-12 11:33:37
We agree on this, but for totally different reasons.
If nothing changed after Sandy Hook, then we need to accept that it is never changing, ever. I don't think a gay nightclub being shot up is exactly going to motivate that demographic.
More than a few people will be cheering that them *** done got what was comin' to 'em. Sadly, that's pretty close to the rhetoric nowadays. Here's the thing; maybe the victims were gay, maybe some people have a problem with that. But the victims family isn't necessarily gay. In saying that gays deserve to die, it's also saying that these families deserve to lose a gay family member. The victim who dies isn't the only victim, the family left behind also suffers.
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By Draylo 2016-06-12 11:48:15
I've seen comments like that on the news sites, some people are just vicious animals. Really makes me cringe at how these people are out there.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-06-12 11:52:48
We agree on this, but for totally different reasons.
If nothing changed after Sandy Hook, then we need to accept that it is never changing, ever. I don't think a gay nightclub being shot up is exactly going to motivate that demographic.
More than a few people will be cheering that them *** done got what was comin' to 'em. Sadly, that's pretty close to the rhetoric nowadays. Here's the thing; maybe the victims were gay, maybe some people have a problem with that. But the victims family isn't necessarily gay. In saying that gays deserve to die, it's also saying that these families deserve to lose a gay family member. The victim who dies isn't the only victim, the family left behind also suffers.
I agree with you about this and pray for the families. I do not condone the murder of people out to have a good time based on their sexual preference. What I was referring to was Cultural differences between Western society and Islamic society.
We still have around 12 States that have Laws against Sodomy meaning you can go to Jail for being openly homosexual . Since the founding of the constitutional republic of the United States of America it has always been a imprisoning offense and even during the early years of our nation a Executionable offense against the natural order of Family between a Man and a Woman.
World wide there is 77 nations including the United States where it's Illegal to be homosexual.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-06-12 12:03:57
This is another example of enforcing Sharia Law the price of being homosexual is death.
No, it isn't. Sharia law is based on the principle of retaliation. Punishment for murder is death. If a nation attacks you, you have all the right to retaliate and kill to not be killed etc. Even punishment for murder is not absolute. Parents, or close relatives if parents aren't alive, has the right to forgive the killer if they believe it wasn't intentional and to ask for monetary compensation for their loss (a.k.a. blood money). Being gay is not a reason for retaliation. You can kill a killer, but you can't un-gay a gay. It is strictly called off in Islam, but nowhere it is said to kill them.
Just because you hear that ISIS threw gay persons off the top of buildings, doesn't mean it is accepted as a rule in Islamic law.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-12 12:05:02
This is neither a gun control issue nor an "Islam/Muslim issue."
This is a person who's beliefs were ill aligned with society, so the only way he thought he could "fix" the "problem" is by shooting up a nightclub.
All this does is strongly goes against his way of thinking. He hurt his "cause" more than anyone else could. Violence is never the answer.
So what if people are gay? Does that effect you one bit? No.
Just like who gives a *** if a person is black, Muslim, or Jewish. It doesn't matter and it shouldn't matter.
Killing people just shows how limited your mind is in solving problems, even if the type of problems you think exist are really not problems at all....
You would like that, wouldn't you?
World wide there is 77 nations including the United States where it's Illegal to be homosexual. Show me a law where it's illegal to be gay in the US. I dare you!
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-06-12 12:05:35
hear or see* (not saying they don't do that)
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-12 13:35:13
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-12 14:10:31
Ties to the religion of peace, and a registered democrat? I'm shocked I say, shocked. Good thing Obama's out on deflection patrol blaming guns.
Gotta make sure the right narrative is pushed.
Any idea on this guys immigration status?
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-12 14:18:51
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Might want to ring up FOX then.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-12 14:19:14
Any idea on this guys immigration status? Natural born citizen. Good try.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-12 14:26:45
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Might want to ring up FOX then.
Pointless comment. If you really thought I was giving Fox a pass, then you don't know me very well.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-12 14:56:13
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Might want to ring up FOX then. What about MSNBC?
CNN?
NBC?
Do the rest of the mainstream media gets a pass for doing exactly the same thing FOX does?
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By Cruz Missive 2016-06-12 15:08:25
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me.
I think the days of that sort of decorum are, by and large, over.
Both sides were launching rhetoric before the shooting was even over with.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-12 15:21:06
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Ties to the religion of peace, and a registered democrat? I'm shocked I say, shocked. Good thing Obama's out on deflection patrol blaming guns.
Gotta make sure the right narrative is pushed.
Any idea on this guys immigration status? Nausi: clueless as usual. Hmmm, seems personal. Any idea on this guys immigration status? Natural born citizen. Good try.
Oh you caught me, only a no good bigot could think such a thing was relevant.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-12 15:29:32
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Might want to ring up FOX then.
Pointless comment. If you really thought I was giving Fox a pass, then you don't know me very well. It was more a comment on the futility of your statement than anything.
I'd like to see a tragedy not get used as a pedestal for political rhetoric while the bodies are still warm, but that's just me. Might want to ring up FOX then. What about MSNBC?
CNN?
NBC?
Do the rest of the mainstream media gets a pass for doing exactly the same thing FOX does?I wasn't going to type out every mainstream news station when they're all identical ***stains. I just happen to, subjectively, find FOX to be the worst of the bunch.
Quit putting words in peoples mouths so you have something to harp on about.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-12 15:30:56
Any idea on this guys immigration status? Natural born citizen. Good try. Oh you caught me, only a no good bigot could think such a thing was relevant. Glad we agree.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-12 15:33:17
I mean, it's not like a vast majority of mass shooting in America are carried out by natural born white males or anything.
Clearly it's something only an islamic extremist with a dubious immigration background could do.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-06-12 15:41:46
I mean, it's not like a vast majority of mass shooting in America are carried out by natural born white males or anything.
Clearly it's something only an islamic extremist with a dubious immigration background could do. Haven't you realized it yet? White shooters are just disturbed lone-wolf types. It is those of other skin tones or nationalities that are part of some grand conspiracy.
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