Random Politics & Religion #06

This is sort of the thing. Yes, maybe factors of your life led you to be further pushed toward something you were not disinclined to, but not entirely "decided" upon, either.

But these factors are largely beyond your control.

Nothing (of this nature) is ever a simple "choose A or B."

I've said before that I'm not really attracted to men beyond an appreciation for a figure I wish I too could have (and work toward).

But if something happened to my wife and I really hit it off with someone online, for instance. Made a real connection. And they were a guy?

I dunno. Maybe I have a few beers and see where things go? Maybe I don't? I mean, it doesn't really do anything for me thinking about it now, but who is to say in that moment?

So. Much. Ignorance. These last few pages.

On the survival of the gay gene or genetic cluster.

For much of human existence we lived in small, interrelated tribal groupings. In such settings having a productive but non procreating member was a survival advantage for the family - tribe.

Remember that the genes you carry do not have to be passed on by you to get to the next generation. Your siblings and cousins can pass every gene you carry on to the next generation for you.

On choice.

I'm bi. Always have been, my first girlcrush was at 15. In 1959. When being anything but 100% heterosexual was SCARY. Big time. With teeth. My only choice was whether I would act on it. I chose not to.

Qualities that attract me include bright, witty, talented, sarcastic, snarky, and, I must admit, broken. Qualities that don't seem to figure in include height, weight, shape, muscle tone, or gender.

There are physical qualities that attract my eye. These include good smiles, good posture, and freckles. They do not tend to attract anything but my eye.

Who you are attracted to is NOT a choice.

Binary sexuality has been known for millennia to be an incomplete picture. Sexuality falls on a spectrum, from orientation all the way down to individual kinks. Parts of sexuality are learned and parts are hardwired. The actual fact of the matter is that who you're attracted to is not a choice and it's not a defect. It's not even up for debate. Why are so many people so concerned with who people they don't even know are screwing?

So.... can you provide any studies or research to support these rather bold, broad statements? Since anything which is "100% definitely" should be extremely easy to verify.

The question of whether homosexuality is a choice or not is actually very, very easy to answer.

When someone claims homosexuality is a choice, tell them to go suck a ***.

Yes, I'm serious. Tell them to temporarily 'choose' to be gay, suck a few ***, then choose to be straight again. See how he responds.

Of course he won't do it, conservatives aren't known for their conviction.

That's not fair though, no one wants to suck a ***. *** are nasty and gross, gay or straight.

My condolences. I'm guessing you've never had an awesome girlfriend before.

That is...so not true.

Wash your junk, man.

I've asked women before why they don't like oral and most of it comes down to terrible hygeine. No one wants to smell ***/sweat going down on anyone, male or female.

So be a good American. Wash your ***. Throughly.

When in doubt wash your ***.

Personally, I don't who is screwing as I have my likes and much like broccoli, marmite or lutefisk I'm not about to convince anyone to like what I like. We can debate but ultimately debates are just mental masturbation. No one changes positions. I present years of FFXIAH as evidence.

So go out there, chase down ***, vaginas, both, neither, fursuits or what ever tickles your sexually suggestive vegetable. Just get consent from the other party, be responsible, stay classy and have fun.

Ultimately, we're all destined for the same recycle bin anyway. See you on the scrapheap!

exaclty. that's what i was saying earlier. the more important thing is when you find yourself attracted to someone you shouldn't feel any regret, shame, or fear. the fact that people try to define it as anything other than, "I like this person", is ridiculous. Saying that reproduction is the only guiding force is easily disproven. Look at same sex couples who adopt or artificially inseminate. They have the urge, the need to have a child. In nature same sex relationships happen for reasons from dominance, feels good/fun, to who knows... or cares? However, animals don't love the same way we understand it. So using just using biology in this discussion is denying the complexity of the human mind and "heart".

It's hard to say what kind of emotional depth animals have. Apes and dolphins have both been shown to have fairly human understanding of mortality and grief. Obviously not the same level of self awareness, but I don't think we have a monopoly on love.

Ragnarok.Hevans said: »

the more important thing is when you find yourself attracted to someone you shouldn't feel any regret, shame, or fear

Ragnarok.Hevans said: »

the more important thing is when you find yourself attracted to someone you shouldn't feel any regret, shame, or fear

This over, and over, and over again.

well that's why i say in the way we understand it. i read where the red fern grows, i know about these things.

I'm reminded of this story.

right in the feels.

I was with you until this. Everything is biological. Including how and why we bond.

Not the word I read the first time.

Everything boils down to chemistry or physics eventually, but there's mechanisms associated with society that are more intricate than simply biology, even if there are physiological effects associated with them.

Adding language changes the way a mind works and adds a dynamic to interactions that has its own scientific fields of study.

Tl:dr it's not just simple biology

Higher complexity doesn't mean it's not biological.

I meant it more directed to people saying that biology makes sex only about procreation. Attraction is more complex than that. Our genetics shape us and lead us towards the experiences that refine that shape. Biology definitely plays a part, is just not as simple as they were making it seem.

LOL

Some people who argue against genetics also seem to forget(or are just unaware)that genetics have a nature of duality. It's not all code, but activation too. Genes interact with the environment, they aren't in a vacuum.
You could have cancer predisposition in your code, but it might never get triggered, for example.

If you want to distill it down that far, it's organic chemistry.

That is the howdunnit. Biochemistry is the whydunnit.

If you go deeper than that, it's little heart shaped arrows shot at your butt from a flying baby.

Who are you to judge. They were born that way. It's not thier choice whom they're looking at sexually. Others are just Natural Born Killers. Stop hating

You'd make a good mainstream news reporter.