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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-06-13 22:31:10  
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Ah, so that's what a Lordgrim post is.

Whatever you do, don't backread. That might be the pico on top of this sloppy seven-layer dip of a read.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-06-13 22:33:27  
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It is worrying that a lot of people still think sexual orientation is a choice.

More worrying to me is that people still try to relate/equate sexual orientation to pedophilia, rape, and other distasteful things.
Who are you to judge. They were born that way. It's not thier choice whom they're looking at sexually. Others are just Natural Born Killers. Stop hating

Brutalizing children and killing people vs. consensual sex with another adult human. Where the actual *** do you see an equivalence here?
The discussion was genetics vs free will. You're slightly off point.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-06-13 22:33:35  
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Sodomy is not positive.
[Sodomy is defined as oral or anal sex.] Your statement is incorrect as they can be very positive behaviours for a individual's or couple's well being.

If they are not positive in your personal experience, I'm sorry to hear that my friend. That could be very disheartening.

That's your opinion, from a biblical view homosexual behavior is classified as Sodomy man on man woman on woman. And nations were destroyed by accepting it's practice.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-13 22:37:56  
Nah, you took took the topic and took it offroading.



@Zah: I've been involved in this ***show for the last few days, unfortunately. I just wasn't particularly active when Lordgrim was previously active and missed out on all of the, uh, 'fun' associated.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-06-13 22:46:32  
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Shiva.Carrelo said: »
Siren.Akson said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
It is worrying that a lot of people still think sexual orientation is a choice.

More worrying to me is that people still try to relate/equate sexual orientation to pedophilia, rape, and other distasteful things.
Who are you to judge. They were born that way. It's not thier choice whom they're looking at sexually. Others are just Natural Born Killers. Stop hating

Brutalizing children and killing people vs. consensual sex with another adult human. Where the actual *** do you see an equivalence here?
The discussion was genetics vs free will. You're slightly off point.
I'll add this cuz here is your "Where the actual *** do you see an equivalence here?"
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Pedophilia is definitely not a choice.
Everything in life is gd choice ffs.... nobody forces anyone to look at children in a sexual manner just as they're not forced to look at the same sex in the same manner. Since some are so *** dumb, YES obviously pedophelia is worst & criminal... yet the reality remains the same. Both pedophiles & homosexuals chose thier path. To think otherwise you might as well just blame god instead of such ppl cuz they just cant resist being what they should not be... "they were created to be that way" total *** nonsense
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 22:49:25  
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Do you believe people choose to be straight or gay nausi?
Or do you believe it's not of their choice.
People might have certain inclinations towards homosexuality if hey exist as a blank slate, but there is no doubt in my mind that the prevalence of the cultural acceptance of homosexuality has influenced more people into it.

I'm sure that has quite a few negative effects on society, probably a ton of insignificant effects, and probably a couple positives as well.
I see what you're saying.

The more common it becomes in our society, the easier it is for individuals to start being sexually turned on by their same gender?

No, I wouldn't put it quite like that, more like the less stigma there is around it, the more open and curious people will be toward it and try it.

Christ it seems like every girl in college I know Had her very own lesbian experience. Yet most of them weren't lesbians. I've dated a few former lesbians, oddly enough more than I care to admit. It's usually the same story of I thought I was gay but it was just a phase.

And?

There have been studies pointing to bi-sexuality and lesbianism being an evolutionary throw-back to the communal reliance in raising and securing offspring.

I mean are you just trying to be dramatic here? I clearly said it has pros/cons and a whole bunch of "who gives a ***". The point is that the prevalence of gay culture and its acceptance probably influences otherwise strait people into CHOOSING to experimenting with the orientation when they otherwise would have no interest.
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 22:49:54  
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Josiahkf said: »
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Sodomy is not positive.
[Sodomy is defined as oral or anal sex.] Your statement is incorrect as they can be very positive behaviours for a individual's or couple's well being.

If they are not positive in your personal experience, I'm sorry to hear that my friend. That could be very disheartening.

That's your opinion, from a biblical view homosexual behavior is classified as Sodomy man on man woman on woman. And nations were destroyed by accepting it's practice.

Name one
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-13 22:49:59  
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 22:54:29  
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Everything in life is gd choice ffs.... nobody forces anyone to look at children in a sexual manner just as they're not forced to look at the same sex in the same manner. Since some are so *** dumb, YES obviously pedophelia is worst & criminal... yet the reality remains the same. Both pedophiles & homosexuals chose thier path. To think otherwise you might as well just blame god instead of such ppl cuz they just cant resist being what they should not be... "they were created to be that way" total *** nonsense

Let's go back to the part where being straight is a choice.

Acting on an impulse is a choice, but attraction to children, is the same mechanism as attraction to adults of the same or opposite sex. That's why pedophilia isn't illegal but child molestation is. Just like how it's not illegal for me to want to grab the phone out of another driver's hand and insert it violently into one of the openings on their body, but actually doing that would be.

Seriously, though, if everything is a choice, choose to be gay. Go to the local glory hole and just let the evening go where it wants.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 22:54:49  
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Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-06-13 22:56:14  
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Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
You would have to be blind to not notice some ppl of the same sex are more attractive looking, in your opinion, than others. Only some choose to think of such ppl sexually and apparently that's how LGBT ppl exist. You can blame JFC. You can blame God. You blame genetics. You can blame the Cookie Monster. Blame whatever you want or just accept that they made thier minds up for themselves to enact upon such fantasies.
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By Shiva.Carrelo 2016-06-13 22:56:44  
Siren.Akson said: »
Shiva.Carrelo said: »
Siren.Akson said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Tidis said: »
It is worrying that a lot of people still think sexual orientation is a choice.

More worrying to me is that people still try to relate/equate sexual orientation to pedophilia, rape, and other distasteful things.
Who are you to judge. They were born that way. It's not thier choice whom they're looking at sexually. Others are just Natural Born Killers. Stop hating

Brutalizing children and killing people vs. consensual sex with another adult human. Where the actual *** do you see an equivalence here?
The discussion was genetics vs free will. You're slightly off point.
I'm not sure how else to put it. No one is out there consciously choosing what attracts them; not gay people, not straight people, not me, not you, not the *** pedophiles. Oh, you can't help it that you have a thing for redheads? WELL DAMN IF THAT AIN'T JUST LIKE THEM GOSH DERN PEDOPHILES. This is literally what you sound like.

There are already enough violent shitstains actively looking for reasons to attack and murder gay people. We'd honestly really appreciate it if you'd stop feeding their lunacy by spewing your vacuous *** at every opportunity.
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 22:57:00  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-13 23:05:37  
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And?

There have been studies pointing to bi-sexuality and lesbianism being an evolutionary throw-back to the communal reliance in raising and securing offspring.

I mean are you just trying to be dramatic here? I clearly said it has pros/cons and a whole bunch of "who gives a ***". The point is that the prevalence of gay culture and its acceptance probably influences otherwise strait people into CHOOSING to experimenting with the orientation when they otherwise would have no interest.
The interest was always there.

Unfortunately, I can imagine a lot of people were more keen on preserving their health and safety as opposed to being true to themselves and their desires.

The risk isn't as high anymore, despite the recent shooting in Orlando, and people are more free to actually explore their sexuality than they have been in an exceptionally long time.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-06-13 23:07:20  
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There are already enough violent shitstains actively looking for reasons to attack and murder gay people. We'd honestly really appreciate it if you'd stop feeding their lunacy by spewing your vacuous *** at every opportunity.
Go cry in the corner cuz IDGAFF... Im fairly certain nothing posted on FFXIAH will set off murderous rampages. So do me a favor. Grab a tissue.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 23:08:51  
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?
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By Shiva.Carrelo 2016-06-13 23:17:51  
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There are already enough violent shitstains actively looking for reasons to attack and murder gay people. We'd honestly really appreciate it if you'd stop feeding their lunacy by spewing your vacuous *** at every opportunity.
Go cry in the corner cuz IDGAFF... Im fairly certain nothing posted on FFXIAH will set off murderous rampages. So do me a favor. Grab a tissue.

Welp, I guess that's about as much of a response as you had left to make. My assumption was more that you carry those lovely ideas of yours with you into the real world after you've logged off, but maybe we're the only ones fortunate enough to hear what you so eloquently have to say.

Come to think of it though, we have actually had our share of unstable posters on this site. You really never know. :)
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 23:18:25  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-13 23:18:48  
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Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
You would have to be blind to not notice some ppl of the same sex are more attractive looking, in your opinion, than others.
I can admit that. But no matter how attractive I've found them, I never found them sexually attractive.

This is not true, at all, in regards to women of equal (or lesser) attractiveness. There has never been a moment in my life where I made a conscious decision regarding who I've found sexually attractive.
 
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-06-13 23:19:53  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Do you believe people choose to be straight or gay nausi?
Or do you believe it's not of their choice.
People might have certain inclinations towards homosexuality if hey exist as a blank slate, but there is no doubt in my mind that the prevalence of the cultural acceptance of homosexuality has influenced more people into it.

I'm sure that has quite a few negative effects on society, probably a ton of insignificant effects, and probably a couple positives as well.
I see what you're saying.

The more common it becomes in our society, the easier it is for individuals to start being sexually turned on by their same gender?

No, I wouldn't put it quite like that, more like the less stigma there is around it, the more open and curious people will be toward it and try it.

Christ it seems like every girl in college I know Had her very own lesbian experience. Yet most of them weren't lesbians. I've dated a few former lesbians, oddly enough more than I care to admit. It's usually the same story of I thought I was gay but it was just a phase.

And?

There have been studies pointing to bi-sexuality and lesbianism being an evolutionary throw-back to the communal reliance in raising and securing offspring.

I mean are you just trying to be dramatic here? I clearly said it has pros/cons and a whole bunch of "who gives a ***". The point is that the prevalence of gay culture and its acceptance probably influences otherwise strait people into CHOOSING to experimenting with the orientation when they otherwise would have no interest.

How do you get dramatic from tossing out a little blurb about the possibility of our perpetuation as a species could be due in part to female fluidity in sexuality?


Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
@Zah: I've been involved in this ***show for the last few days, unfortunately. I just wasn't particularly active when Lordgrim was previously active and missed out on all of the, uh, 'fun' associated.

Sorry. I only backread about three pages prior to this one. Tired, and the route this thread would take since Sunday morning was too predictable I'm just putting this one on autopilot and divvying out the spirit [+]'s from here on out.

Keep on keepin' on, brotha.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 23:24:18  
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?

I don't disagree with your underlying principle, I just think it's short sighted. I think the more society accepts and tolerates X then the more of it we will see where it never really was before.

Case in point, regular porn? What's that?
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 23:27:41  
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Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?

I don't disagree with your underlying principle, I just think it's short sighted. I think the more society accepts and tolerates X then the more of it we will see where it never really was before.

Case in point, regular porn? What's that?

You are operating under the assumption that if we just let gay people live their lives that everyone will want to be gay. That's just not how it works, bud. You might see more gay people out these days, but it's not that there's more of them, it's that they can actually go to the store without the threat of being lynched.
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By Shiva.Carrelo 2016-06-13 23:29:59  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?

I don't disagree with your underlying principle, I just think it's short sighted. I think the more society accepts and tolerates X then the more of it we will see where it never really was before.
Seeing more of something doesn't necessarily mean that there is more of that thing. You see more gay people because they're finally able to emerge from hiding and needless self-denial, not because there are suddenly more gay people.
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By Siren.Akson 2016-06-13 23:30:20  
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There are already enough violent shitstains actively looking for reasons to attack and murder gay people. We'd honestly really appreciate it if you'd stop feeding their lunacy by spewing your vacuous *** at every opportunity.
Go cry in the corner cuz IDGAFF... Im fairly certain nothing posted on FFXIAH will set off murderous rampages. So do me a favor. Grab a tissue.

Welp, I guess that's about as much of a response as you had left to make. My assumption was more that you carry those lovely ideas of yours with you into the real world after you've logged off, but maybe we're the only ones fortunate enough to hear what you so eloquently have to say.

Come to think of it though, we have actually had our share of unstable posters on this site. You really never know. :)
Bro.. what exactly is your problem? That I believe in self control? That I believe that LGBT are what they chose to be? I respect and treat LGBT ppl the same as anyone else in RL. Just cuz I think they were not born LGBT doesnt mean Im attacking them... The only thing that bothers me about claiming LGBT ppl are born that way is cuz one could make that excuse for damn near everything they do in life w/o taking responsibility for thier own thoughts and actions. If you have a problem with any of that. I couldnt care less.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-13 23:32:22  
Being born a certain way doesn't excuse you from the repercussions of your actions.
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 23:34:44  
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I respect and treat LGBT ppl the same as anyone else in RL.

So, you liken everyone's existence to following a fad?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 23:35:14  
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Jassik said: »
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Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?

I don't disagree with your underlying principle, I just think it's short sighted. I think the more society accepts and tolerates X then the more of it we will see where it never really was before.

Case in point, regular porn? What's that?

You are operating under the assumption that if we just let gay people live their lives that everyone will want to be gay. That's just not how it works, bud. You might see more gay people out these days, but it's not that there's more of them, it's that they can actually go to the store without the threat of being lynched.
NI get what you're saying. I'm sure those cases exist, but you're taking my point beyond its intended limits. If we glorified gayness, there would be a group of people that would be gay just because it was expected.
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By Jassik 2016-06-13 23:38:13  
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Being attracted =/= acting on that attraction
So does that mean that being a pedophile doesn't mean you actually hurt children? Just trying to understand the greater point you're making.

He's separating the attraction from the act. A pedophile doesn't necessarily hurt children, they just have the attraction.

The point is that you don't choose who you are attracted to, you choose who you screw.

As I've said, I'm not so sure about that.

Do you think that there would be more or less pedophiles out there if there was no such thing as kiddie porn?

Kiddie porn exists because pedophiles do. Do you think there would be more or less straight people if there was no such thing as regular porn?

I don't disagree with your underlying principle, I just think it's short sighted. I think the more society accepts and tolerates X then the more of it we will see where it never really was before.

Case in point, regular porn? What's that?

You are operating under the assumption that if we just let gay people live their lives that everyone will want to be gay. That's just not how it works, bud. You might see more gay people out these days, but it's not that there's more of them, it's that they can actually go to the store without the threat of being lynched.
NI get what you're saying. I'm sure those cases exist, but you're taking my point beyond its intended limits. If we glorified gayness, there would be a group of people that would be gay just because it was expected.

Possibly, but nobody is glorifying being gay. And, even if they were, and your theory is correct, who cares?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-13 23:41:44  
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but nobody is glorifying being gay.
That's a joke right?
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