Random Politics & Religion #06

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 Shiva.Viciousss
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-06-14 09:39:29  
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Do we even know what the gun actually was? Also, what does that have to do with anything?

News gets it wrong far too often, but would an AK or mini-14 not be capable of killing people just as well?

That doesn't fit nausi's narrative. Just play along.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 09:47:56  
Meanwhile while everyone cries about their Second Amendment rights being looked at funny -- yet never actually threatened, Trump is busy pissing all over the First.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-06-14 09:52:39  
He has done that a few times, it doesn't change anything, the press members just attend the conference as regular audience members. Just more crying about the media.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Eradius 2016-06-14 09:56:11  
Australia where I live, is an "island" in the middle of the sea with no mexico, east eu, or asia attached to it. With gun control- effective gun control.

However.

A terrorist still got his mitts on a gun and shot things up. They've gotten their hands on weapons and explosives in Australia, the UK, in Paris, etc.

Omar in the US made contact with ISIS, when you are already dealing with ISIS a gun is going to be obtained one way or another to get the deed done.

Turning the entire argument into gun control instead of addressing this radicalized father and the 20 different signs Omar wasn't such a straight character is insulting. The argument that the FBI check should have invalidated gun ownership still wouldn't help, he would have had to be investigated by other means to be stopped before he could ever illegaly obtain a gun, a simple task for a man already in conversation with an org like IS. This guy had the pair on him to go and do that even when he already knew the FBI had sniffed his crotch 3 times for other reasons. Think about that.

Gun control can be a thing, but its not going to stop a radical. Identifying radicals and stemming them should be the tactic when you deal with terrorism. Omar's father was/is radicalized and he has displayed as much with his statements and life history. I think the entire situation could have been prevented if at least one person said "whoa wait a sec" when his father applied for a visa.
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-14 09:57:05  
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Jassik said: »
Do we even know what the gun actually was?

It's a Sig Sauer MCX. Somehow it changes everything.

Not everything, just doesn't fit the narrative.
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-14 09:57:30  
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yet never actually threatened

You haven't been paying enough attention.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 09:58:00  
Here's the thing about gun control.

Every time one of these situations comes up, you know who makes a metrick *** of money?

The firearms industry.

They love mass shootings. The make bank over people fearmongering about weapons being taken away, so people stock up.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:00:32  
Jetackuu said: »
Ramyrez said: »
yet never actually threatened

You haven't been paying enough attention.



Ramyrez said: »
yet never actually threatened

Show me where. Show me when.

Owner firearms has never been easier in this country.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:00:49  
owning* obviously.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-06-14 10:03:23  
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-14 10:03:43  
There's a growing number of people who would like to see the 2nd amendment removed entirely, do you really need me to link you to people proposing this?

Depends on where in the country mind you.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:05:58  
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There's a growing number of people who would like to see the 2nd amendment removed entirely, do you really need me to link you to people proposing this?

Depends on where in the country mind you.

There's a growing number of people who want to see the Bible become the law of the land, too.

Doesn't mean it's going to happen either way.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:07:15  
Valefor.Endoq said: »

9/11 happened because of "God."

God has nothing to do with the solution to violence.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:08:03  
Unless, of course, you're saying that the people in the nightclub deserved to die for being "Godless."

In which case the only words I have for you will get me banned.
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-14 10:10:03  
Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
There's a growing number of people who would like to see the 2nd amendment removed entirely, do you really need me to link you to people proposing this?

Depends on where in the country mind you.

There's a growing number of people who want to see the Bible become the law of the land, too.

Doesn't mean it's going to happen either way.

Again, depends on where you live (in your case and mine the latter is more likely to happen).

I mean there's places where natural rights are being encroached upon and even outright infringed upon and not just this one of the topic either.

"free speech zones"
civil forfeiture
NYC
California
DC
right to assemble
freedom of/from religion
wiretapping
emails
cell phones
tin foil

and the list goes on and on.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-06-14 10:15:30  
I guess God is still more offensive than Nazi's to most people
(offending was not my intent though....)

If people actually followed LOVE and COMPASSION like most religious denominations do teach. Then yeah, there wouldn't be anymore violence issues. Jesus is the keystone to the kingdom of God that is right at our hands if only there were more builders...
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-06-14 10:17:22  
When you say "GOD" which one exactely are you talking about? The ebraic god? The Christian-Catholic one? The muslim one? Something else?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-06-14 10:17:23  
Teach the concepts instead of the stories and people will be far more receptive.

We need more love? Sure, great, everyone likes that.

We need more Jesus? Half the people walk out of the room or make jokes.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-06-14 10:20:00  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Teach the concepts instead of the stories and people will be far more receptive.

We need more love? Sure, great, everyone likes that.

We need more Jesus? Half the people walk out of the room or make jokes.
I mention him since he is where I learn this stuff from...
Just giving credit where it is due.
 
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:22:54  
Valefor.Endoq said: »
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Teach the concepts instead of the stories and people will be far more receptive.

We need more love? Sure, great, everyone likes that.

We need more Jesus? Half the people walk out of the room or make jokes.
I mention him since he is where I learn this stuff from...
Just giving credit where it is due.

You learned this stuff from a man/woman using God as an allegory.

The core concepts are valid.

The belief and fear of -- and following the nonsensical rules "laid down by" a mythical man in the sky -- is not. We can shed the allegory and still have the valuable concepts. And be better for it.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:23:54  
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I guess God is still more offensive than Nazi's to most people

Where did Nazis come up again?

Here's the thing. Rabid nationalism is equally as terrifying as rapid religious belief. ^^;

Both end in death for abstract concepts that don't mean anything.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Eradius 2016-06-14 10:24:01  
The first step is to tell everyone about your god.

They may ask if you are subscribed to a religion or a cult.

Step two is to tell them any religion but yours is a cult.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:24:19  
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terrifying as rabid religious belief

Sigh. Can't type today.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-06-14 10:25:26  
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terrifying as rapid religious belief
Be wary of those who pray too fast!
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-14 10:25:38  
Valefor.Endoq said: »
I guess God is still more offensive than Nazi's to most people

Considering that particular one is responsible for mass genocide that even the Nazi's don't compare to? (If you believe that sort of thing) then yeah.

Asura.Sechs said: »
When you say "GOD" which one exactely are you talking about? The ebraic god? The Christian-Catholic one? The muslim one? Something else?

Pretty sure that it's still the same root god, until the end there.

Probably will ruffle individual feathers with that one.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:26:18  
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tty sure that it's still the same root god, until the end there.

Probably will ruffle individual feathers with that one.

Shouldn't. Anyone who has been reading the books and keeping up would realize it.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:26:37  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Ramyrez said: »
terrifying as rapid religious belief
Be wary of those who pray too fast!

I deserve that.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-06-14 10:28:54  
Ramyrez said: »
Valefor.Endoq said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Teach the concepts instead of the stories and people will be far more receptive.

We need more love? Sure, great, everyone likes that.

We need more Jesus? Half the people walk out of the room or make jokes.
I mention him since he is where I learn this stuff from...
Just giving credit where it is due.

You learned this stuff from a man/woman using God as an allegory.

The core concepts are valid.

The belief and fear of -- and following the nonsensical rules "laid down by" a mythical man in the sky -- is not. We can shed the allegory and still have the valuable concepts. And be better for it.
The fear of God is to hate sin/evil.
Hasn't the corruption of this world hurt enough people?
It is killing us and our loved ones and many are unable to see what is ailing them in life.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-14 10:42:35  
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Hasn't the corruption of this world hurt enough people?

Define "corruption."
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