BREXIT Just Happened...

Yes, well, they were engaged in the very same thing at the time as well, more or less...

The fact that americans of all people can't see the parallel is saddening. I swear if the USA tried to form today they'd be against.

Advocating states' rights is in no way anti-American government. It is simply a realization of the relationship that the national government is supposed to have with the states, as was understood by the founders. Comparing the EU to the relationship the states have with the US government shows a strong lack of comprehension. Don't even pull that crap just to take shots at Conservatives.

states being allowed to legislate things that the federal government refuses to for the sake of freedoms.

Theoretical history is really not something of which I'm a fan because it supposes to many things to be even remotely tenable. But pretend for a moment we somehow got to approximately the mid-20th century without forming as a nation and were forty-some (at the time) odd states and a few territories, etc.

Do you think said states in that time frame would acquiesce to a unification and one central governing body?

You're right, such a conversation isn't tenable. The country would have formed completely differently and politics wouldn't be remotely what they are today. The thought process (and the snipe at states' rights) is an exercise in futility.

What? 13 separate governing states that were mostly all English forming 1 country vs 28 countries with their own language and culture etc to form 1 super country. Iono to me that's like comparing apples to oranges

What? 13 separate governing states that were mostly all English forming 1 country vs 28 countries with their own language and culture etc to form 1 super country. Iono to me that's like comparing apples to oranges

"States rights" is a *** label from the get go. "States rights" is a bunch of conservatives trying to push at a state level what they can't get the federal government to put through. Abortion bills, limitations on public health and welfare, and similar nonsense.

David Cameron made a statement to the Commons, saying the government has a "fundamental responsibility to bring our country together" after the EU referendum

Allies of Jeremy Corbyn have said he will not resign despite facing a mass walkout from his shadow cabinet and a vote of confidence in his leadership

The new leader of the Conservatives should be in place by 2 September, the executive of the party's influential 1922 committee of MPs has suggested

The European Union will not hold informal talks with the UK until it triggers Article 50 to leave, Germany, France and Italy have insisted

States rights

C'mon fellas let the brits have one fricken thread without making it about murica

Even if I don't always agree with you, I usually at least see your angle. This is such a shallow and biased interpretation of states' rights that I'm just going to call you flat-out wrong. Not to mention the fact that liberal states also enact a ton of legislation that would never fly nationally, and I support thembecause they should have the right to do it. I say we let them enact stupid gun laws, stupid soda laws, stupid energy laws, stupid taxes, etc. so that they don't feel the need to force their stupidity on the rest of us.

Well if EU superstate is a thing then maybe America can stop being the world police and EU can defend itself then if Russia attacks. Can dissolve nato and we can put dollars into our crappy infrastructure and other systems

Now go check the Euro dollar, see how that is doing by comparison. Brexit hurt the Euro far worse than it hurt the pound.

Current value of the pound = $1.3192
Current value of the Euro = $1.1016

Almost all the currencies of the world have taken a beating from this, this is not a sole issue for the pound. That is why all the other nations are working to help Britain come through from this.

Remember how Obama said the UK would be put to the back of the queue in regards to trade deals? That went right out the window almost immediately, you know why? because they can't afford to let the UK go down. It would damage them too.

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/683117/US-and-Canada-lead-promises-to-maintain-trade-relations-with-Britain-outside-the-EU

The prices of currency are based on buying and selling from traders, these number fluctuate all the time and the current low figures are based purely on the fear of buyers and sellers. Once the leadership of the UK start sorting out trade deals and all the other issues prices will recover. The world and the UK won't burn from it gaining independence from a union it never really wanted to be part of anyway. The UK, like it or not is far too important to the financial world for it ever to be allowed to be seriously damaged.

Even German and France who may hate the UK right now cannot let it be damaged because we are one of their major customers for imports.

I know some of you are salivating at the prospect of your great I TOLD YOU SO post but it simply will not be allowed to happen by the major powers of the western world, due to self interest alone.

For a thousand years nations have warred to take over all of Europe. Generation after generation the struggle has taken on many forms, all with the same goal. Germany figured out a way to do it without firing a single shot. Good for Great Britain for wising up.

Then you should be glad the UK left and wish them the best, because they were the biggest stumbling block that the EU had to their plans of the EU super state and dissoloution of member nations.

Poland however, not so happy.

Germany and France are now going to take charge of the superstate, due to being the most powerful remaining members. I for one welcome your Franco-German overlords.


The point was, the UK absolutely did not want this (nor do quite a few other nations) as shown by them voting against the Euro and schengen. So any uk voters who may of been second guessing, now you know what you voted out of. Not carrying on as you were but aggressive closer integration, until our nation would of been dissolved into the super state.

No thank you! This would of been our last chance and we took it, thank god.

“Among the victors there is a babel of jarring voices; among the vanquished the sullen silence of despair.

That is all that Europeans, grouped in so many ancient States and nations, that is all that the Germanic Powers have got by tearing each other to pieces and spreading havoc far and wide.

Indeed, but for the fact that the great Republic across the Atlantic Ocean has at length realised that the ruin or enslavement of Europe would involve their own fate as well, and has stretched out hands of succour and guidance, the Dark Ages would have returned in all their cruelty and squalor.

They may still return.

Yet all the while there is a remedy which, if it were generally and spontaneously adopted, would as if by a miracle transform the whole scene, and would in a few years make all Europe, or the greater part of it, as free and as happy as Switzerland is today.

What is this sovereign remedy?

It is to re-create the European Family, or as much of it as we can, and provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.

We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living."

For a thousand years nations have warred to take over all of Europe. Generation after generation the struggle has taken on many forms, all with the same goal. Germany figured out a way to do it without firing a single shot. Good for Great Britain for wising up.

Might as well posted a pic of Merkel with Hitler's mustache.

Germany ruined everything once, so the world spanked them. Then they did it again cause they were mad and got a double spanking and room-divider. Then we asked them to please chill out. They decided to take our advice and chill out immediately. Then chill out HARDER, and get NICER, and NICER. Until they were TOO NICE for everyones own good!

Maybe this time we should just ask them to work hard at being lazy. They'll replace video games and anime somehow within 30 years I bet.

In a speech to the Bundestag, Merkel said negotiations over Britain’s post-EU future would not be a “cherry-picking exercise”. To applause, she warned that the UK government should be under no illusions over the decisions that would be made.

“We will make sure that negotiations will not be carried out as a cherry-picking exercise. There must be and there will be a palpable difference between those countries who want to be members of the European family and those who don’t,” she said.


Writing in the Daily Telegraph on Monday, Johnson had suggested the UK might “take back democratic control of immigration” while continuing to enjoy free market access. Merkel’s comments – echoed on Tuesday by Italy’s prime minister, Matteo Renzi – made clear that this will not happen.

“Whoever wants to leave this family cannot expect to shed all its responsibilities but keep the privileges,” Merkel said. “Those for example, who want free access to the single market will in return have to respect European basic rights and freedoms ... that’s true for Great Britain just as much as for the others.”

Merkel said the UK could enjoy access to the single market only if it accepted the “four basic European freedoms – that of people, goods, services and capital”.

She added: “Norway, for instance, is not a member of the European Union but has access to the single market because it accepts open migration from the European Union.”

Good.

A motion of no confidence in Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has been passed by the party's MPs.
The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.
The leader's allies have told his critics to trigger a formal leadership contest if they want to challenge him.
Shadow chancellor John McDonnell said Mr Corbyn was "not going anywhere", accusing his critics of trying to "subvert democracy".