Death Penalty Damage Optimization.

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Death Penalty damage optimization.
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By Shiva.Eightball 2017-11-27 12:59:10  
hepzion spara +1 x2 is not gonna make for good salute spam, Fettering or Hepzion rapier +1 and Blurred dagger +1 is best unless you can afford x2 +1 blurred, if you cannot afford any blurred +1 then one those sword with Odium offhand is decent acc.

i usually have around 1150 acc before buffs and still need sublime sushi OR if you can afford them Marine stewpots for acc Racc and Macc.
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By Afania 2017-11-27 14:03:45  
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
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Question on dynamis [D] with corsair. I would like to say my cor is geared pritty well. But i struggle with melee on orcs after boss kill. Is there an optimal melee set someone can post that i can compare with? I have all the things HQ and such. Just looking for a reference point.

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1) Using Carmine legs over Samnuha is HUGE DPS lose, it should be the last piece to switch out even if you need acc or DW.

2) Iskur is solid tp piece for low acc set.

3) I'm not sure what the augments on Carmine legs are, if they are DW the then it puts your DW at a weird spot.

4) Like Eightball said, sapara +1 isn't great for salute.

Really just need to switch out Carmine legs for Samnuha and most issues fixed.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mithlas 2017-11-27 14:27:20  
Is there a reason why blurred knives are done over blurred swords? Is it simply the delay?
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By Afania 2017-11-27 14:37:15  
Blurred sword has incredibly high delay for its DMG, and being a sword it has lower acc for cor too.

The only time I can see it being used is against NM with piercing resistance since all other oat weapons(degen, atoyac, blurred knife +1) are all piercing dmg. Even then you can probably use sapara +1 instead.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2017-11-27 15:26:28  
Thanks for the responses! This is great! I have somewhere around 1210 accuracy prebuffs on cor I believe. And was a wiff fest on the second level orcs. If I could figure out how to post my sets I would show you. I just have trouble, I was using blurred sword +1 offhand but found it incredibly slow compared to shooting. With 11 sam roll im 3hit and 1 shotting orcs with lead. glowing DP of course.
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By Odin.Geriond 2017-11-27 15:32:17  
I have about that much ACC on my DRK pre-food in my low acc set, and I haven't had any problems on the 2nd tier orcs (barring the THFs).
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By Treizekordero 2017-11-27 15:53:16  
So Fettering Blade or Hepatizon rapier +1 and Blurred dagger +1 is better than having 2x Hepatizon rapier +1?

I thought the extra magic dmg and MAB would make DP hit harder?
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By Shiva.Eightball 2017-11-27 16:22:04  
Its a trade off of hitting harder vs hitting more often. With OAT offhand you can tp much faster than dual wield 2 reg swords so you will WS sooner and likely with more tp than w/o OAT which will make you hit harder aswell.
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By Lakshmi.Zaps 2017-11-27 16:22:38  
it does, but are you meleeing for tp or shooting?

meleeing means the offhand knife generally boosts ws frequency enough to overcome the extra WS damage on the rapier. Depending on the situation 2x knife could also be best (but you lose access to savage blade)

if you are shooting then its a good option, but realistically atoyac is really close in stats and also works. (my poor inventory)
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By Treizekordero 2017-11-27 16:49:11  
Ahh I see now.

In a shooting for TP situation, has anyone figured out how Hep Rapier (+1) x2 performs against Fettering/Atoyac, Fettering/Hep. Rapier (+1), or Fettering/Hep. Rapier (+1)?
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By Afania 2017-11-27 17:25:45  
Treizekordero said: »
Ahh I see now.

In a shooting for TP situation, has anyone figured out how Hep Rapier (+1) x2 performs against Fettering/Atoyac, Fettering/Hep. Rapier (+1), or Fettering/Hep. Rapier (+1)?


For shooting and spamming leaden(but not last stand), Fettering mainhand should be better than rapier for due to racc and crit.

Offhand is either omen shield if you use SJ without DW, rapier +1 for max dmg, or Atoyac if you want both dmg and some racc from AGI.

I don't have numbers on my hand but the difference between them should be very small and there won't be much difference if you just use rapier x2 for inventory.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2017-11-27 17:39:02  
A marginally related question: triple shot builds. I still prefer to use the 119 empy body for a higher percentage boost to triple shot over oshosi body, which garners more racc. With either death penalty or Fomalhaut I'm still sporting enough STP to weaponskill>tripleshot>weaponskill without oshosi body as long as I'm rolling a 2,9,10, or 11 on sam roll (regal neck), so the STP loss isn't concerning. However, I am wondering if I'd see more full connects on triple rather than 2 of 3. Considering I don't currently own one, was looking too see what others are defaulting to. And no, I don't need it for my preshot sets, they're on point.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2017-11-27 18:16:27  
I am also wondering this. Having 3/5 oshosi+1; and one of those pieces being the body. I have not done any testing personally.
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By Afania 2017-11-27 18:41:26  
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A marginally related question: triple shot builds. I still prefer to use the 119 empy body for a higher percentage boost to triple shot over oshosi body, which garners more racc. With either death penalty or Fomalhaut I'm still sporting enough STP to weaponskill>tripleshot>weaponskill without oshosi body as long as I'm rolling a 2,9,10, or 11 on sam roll (regal neck), so the STP loss isn't concerning. However, I am wondering if I'd see more full connects on triple rather than 2 of 3. Considering I don't currently own one, was looking too see what others are defaulting to. And no, I don't need it for my preshot sets, they're on point.


I posted fomalhaut triple shot build in COR job guide thread a few pages back.

Usually, more stp from buffs favors higher triple shot %, so it is correct to use empy body in low acc set.

Oshosi body is a good racc swap, although it also isn't top swap priority for me.
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2017-11-27 19:23:20  
Afania said: »
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
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Question on dynamis [D] with corsair. I would like to say my cor is geared pritty well. But i struggle with melee on orcs after boss kill. Is there an optimal melee set someone can post that i can compare with? I have all the things HQ and such. Just looking for a reference point.

Thanks!

ItemSet 343252

1) Using Carmine legs over Samnuha is HUGE DPS lose, it should be the last piece to switch out even if you need acc or DW.

2) Iskur is solid tp piece for low acc set.

3) I'm not sure what the augments on Carmine legs are, if they are DW the then it puts your DW at a weird spot.

4) Like Eightball said, sapara +1 isn't great for salute.

Really just need to switch out Carmine legs for Samnuha and most issues fixed.

I can agree to all, but I thought it was more about getting in solid hits so you could leaden. I can say sapara isn't as good an option, but again if it was to to help melee hits, so you could leaden more often. I just took that and ran with it. No clue on buffs, or food, or JP. It works fine for that, I personally use samnuha pants too.
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By Shiva.Eightball 2017-11-27 21:49:12  
well if thats the case then x2 blurred +1 is the way to go as the acc bonus on them + higher dagger skill should be more than Hep spara acc bonus
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2017-11-27 22:12:11  
Shiva.Eightball said: »
well if thats the case then x2 blurred +1 is the way to go as the acc bonus on them + higher dagger skill should be more than Hep spara acc bonus

Ah very true I did not take that in to consideration. I just happen to have 2 Sapara, so I use them. Still no luck on Blurred. Thanks ^^
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2017-11-28 12:43:02  
Looking to maximize Dynamis [D] damage. If that means melee cor/nin with death penalty then so be it (all stats get pulled magic weak and our geo's ride malaise)

I assume fettering/blurred knife+1 would win?

On that note, is counterstance an issue for anyone?
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By Sylph.Oraen 2017-11-28 15:52:39  
It's possible double HQ blurred would win since Leaden damage is already so obscene in Dynamis, but I have no definitive numbers. Then again, saving up a bit of TP to one-shot dangerous/annoying mobs (NIN, BST, WHM, SMN, RUN) would likely lean towards Fettering/Blurred for the higher per-WS damage. It's probably not a big difference between the two, as Leaden just demolishes everything in there.

As for Counterstance, I've died a couple times to it if I pull hate quickly on the Leader mobs and am not paying attention. Savage > CdC > Leaden takes a massive chunk off, and if we start too quickly, tank might not have enough enmity built up. Other than that, though, just stay behind the mob and turn if you get hate.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2017-11-28 15:59:30  
Generally on the Leader mobs we sch distortion > leaden (99K+99K) > coronach for double darkness magic bursting by the blackmage/mages. This takes the leaders to like 20%ish percent in like 10 seconds lol?
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By Afania 2017-11-28 16:32:32  
Sylph.Oraen said: »
It's possible double HQ blurred would win since Leaden damage is already so obscene in Dynamis, but I have no definitive numbers. Then again, saving up a bit of TP to one-shot dangerous/annoying mobs (NIN, BST, WHM, SMN, RUN) would likely lean towards Fettering/Blurred for the higher per-WS damage. It's probably not a big difference between the two, as Leaden just demolishes everything in there.

As for Counterstance, I've died a couple times to it if I pull hate quickly on the Leader mobs and am not paying attention. Savage > CdC > Leaden takes a massive chunk off, and if we start too quickly, tank might not have enough enmity built up. Other than that, though, just stay behind the mob and turn if you get hate.


I generally use rapier HQ/blurred HQ since we roll with blm alliance and they often die before I get to engage. We also used regain roll so the engage time is even lower.

I'm considering switching to mab weapon x2 for that reason, but I then I'd need another cheap rapier +1 for offhand....
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By Shiva.Eightball 2017-11-28 17:04:21  
we have not tried double darkness yet but perhaps wildfire would be a better double darkness option as you likly have malaise and whatnot on alrdy? only thing I can think of is they will resist fire too much.
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By Fenrir.Kaldaek 2017-11-28 20:45:25  
Afania said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
It's possible double HQ blurred would win since Leaden damage is already so obscene in Dynamis, but I have no definitive numbers. Then again, saving up a bit of TP to one-shot dangerous/annoying mobs (NIN, BST, WHM, SMN, RUN) would likely lean towards Fettering/Blurred for the higher per-WS damage. It's probably not a big difference between the two, as Leaden just demolishes everything in there.

As for Counterstance, I've died a couple times to it if I pull hate quickly on the Leader mobs and am not paying attention. Savage > CdC > Leaden takes a massive chunk off, and if we start too quickly, tank might not have enough enmity built up. Other than that, though, just stay behind the mob and turn if you get hate.


I generally use rapier HQ/blurred HQ since we roll with blm alliance and they often die before I get to engage. We also used regain roll so the engage time is even lower.

I'm considering switching to mab weapon x2 for that reason, but I then I'd need another cheap rapier +1 for offhand....

What setup woudl you recommend for COR as the main DPS? 1-2 BLM only?
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By Fenrir.Jumeya 2017-11-28 21:01:02  
Put 3 cors in a PT, RD rotation for triple shot, avoid any counter death risks, and pretty much everything out of range. STP roll, tact, let it rip? seems like engage/disengage running for mobs would waste more time then just shoot.

Is it the fastest possible? probably not, but it's up there with path of least resistance, and also negates the need for many buffs.