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Random Politics & Religion #09
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-08-04 10:22:37
To be fair swedish is easier, but who the hell would speak that?
Fine!
I'll just go sit over here
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-04 10:22:58
Of course English is easy as *** if you've grown up surrounded by it I haven't, Italy doesn't have an official second language save for Tirol(ladin, yes with the d), and eastern Friuli(slovenian).
By fonewear 2016-08-04 10:23:40
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position.
Law doesn't dictate how people should "feel". If you are worried about hurting Mexican's feelings I'm sure there is a Hallmark store somewhere nearby.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-08-04 10:23:49
I'd like to hear Seha speaking Swedish
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-04 10:24:05
I'm pretty salty that my elementary school canned Russian two years into it because of funding issues.
I could be a fluent Russian speaker right now.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-04 10:24:27
I mean, if it was easier for Seha, it's not my place to say it wasn't.
But from an anecdotal standpoint, I've spoken with many multi-lingual folks that consider English trickier than most.
Maybe that's a better way to put it, really. Spoken English is easy enough to pick up, but there are many different specific instances where you can get tripped up by a quirk you didn't realize existed.
So maybe we shouldn't be saying it's "more difficult," but that it's "trickier."
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-04 10:24:39
Your dream of being a soviet spy crushed at such a young age...
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-04 10:25:08
Of course English is easy as *** if you've grown up surrounded by it I haven't, Italy doesn't have an official second language save for Tirol(ladin, yes with the d), and eastern Friuli(slovenian).
I'm speaking in general, not of you specifically.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-04 10:25:29
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Japanese can do as they please. I'm just saying that Americans are more accepting of other people than Japanese.
The US is huge. Where are we talking? Metropolis'? Small towns? Back country? Like you been outside your city.
With your viewpoints, I highly doubt you make it past your city limits.
Elaborate. Since you know more about me than I do. It has nothing to do with that, like I said, based by your viewpoints, I highly doubt you ever made it past your city limits.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-08-04 10:25:53
English is really easy, there is no question about it, I don't know under what kind of proud pretense you guys deny this. It might be not easy to write, but it sure is easy to speak.
The pretense I deny it with is the overwhelming majority of my foreign-born coworkers who talk about how hard English is. You're trying to turn your subjective opinion into objective fact. It's not. It may not be the absolute hardest language to learn for most people, but English is strange in a lot of ways with pronunciation, spelling, sentence structure, conjugation, and insanely large vocabulary that integrates from a wide variety of languages. So you think still think it's totes easy? Congratufrickinlations.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-08-04 10:26:31
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position.
Law doesn't dictate how people should "feel". If you are worried about hurting Mexican's feelings I'm sure there is a Hallmark store somewhere nearby. I'm more worried about them being harassed and assaulted, personally.
But you do you.
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By Ramyrez 2016-08-04 10:27:26
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'm pretty salty that my elementary school canned Russian two years into it because of funding issues.
I could be a fluent Russian speaker right now.
I would love to know a Cyrillic-alphabet language just because I think it's a great looking alphabet. Arabic, too.
...the basic Alphabet we all communicate in is boring as ***.
By fonewear 2016-08-04 10:27:31
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position.
Law doesn't dictate how people should "feel". If you are worried about hurting Mexican's feelings I'm sure there is a Hallmark store somewhere nearby. I'm more worried about them being harassed and assaulted, personally.
But you do you.
Well the ACLU is always hiring.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-08-04 10:27:38
It's a lot easier to learn basic English though with all the movies, tv series, music, games etc these days, especially at a younger age.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-04 10:27:43
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Japanese can do as they please. I'm just saying that Americans are more accepting of other people than Japanese.
The US is huge. Where are we talking? Metropolis'? Small towns? Back country? Like you been outside your city.
With your viewpoints, I highly doubt you make it past your city limits.
Elaborate. Since you know more about me than I do. It has nothing to do with that, like I said, based by your viewpoints, I highly doubt you ever made it past your city limits.
Believe what you want KN, you've already a knack for mental gymnastics.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-04 10:27:54
the overwhelming majority of my foreign-born coworkers You're trying to turn your subjective opinion into objective fact Really dude? Ridiculous.
I can bring up just as much anecdotal "objectivity" telling you about everyone I've met on this continent.
Such a rich reply.
By fonewear 2016-08-04 10:28:33
the overwhelming majority of my foreign-born coworkers You're trying to turn your subjective opinion into objective fact Really dude? Ridiculous.
I can bring up just as much anecdotal "objectivity" telling you about everyone I've met on this continent.
Such a rich reply.
The only one being ridiculous is you but thanks for playing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-04 10:28:50
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position. Not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, and not all illegal immigrants are Mexican (or even Latin in origin).
Mexicans are the easy target because of our border to the south and the stereotyping people make on immigrants (legal or not).
It's the same thing when people take Trump's comments about rapists/murderers coming from south the border and skew it to say that Trump said all Mexicans are rapists/murderers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-04 10:29:20
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Japanese can do as they please. I'm just saying that Americans are more accepting of other people than Japanese.
The US is huge. Where are we talking? Metropolis'? Small towns? Back country? Like you been outside your city.
With your viewpoints, I highly doubt you make it past your city limits.
Elaborate. Since you know more about me than I do. It has nothing to do with that, like I said, based by your viewpoints, I highly doubt you ever made it past your city limits.
Believe what you want KN, you've already a knack for mental gymnastics. Prove otherwise then.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-08-04 10:29:44
the overwhelming majority of my foreign-born coworkers You're trying to turn your subjective opinion into objective fact Really dude? Ridiculous.
I can bring up just as much anecdotal "objectivity" telling you about everyone I've met on this continent.
Such a rich reply.
You already were bringing in your anecdotal objectivity. I responded with such to make a counter. See how pointless it is?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-04 10:30:34
I was bringing my knowledge in linguistics, you counter with numbers, well big deal cause I've got even bigger numbers!
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-08-04 10:32:13
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position.
Law doesn't dictate how people should "feel". If you are worried about hurting Mexican's feelings I'm sure there is a Hallmark store somewhere nearby.
But the law does dictate how business owners are allowed to or not allowed to discriminate their customer base. If a business does discriminate based on race then they become the criminals.
However, because this *** is being pushed hard from Trump, it will probably get the blind eye. Racists will spout some nonsense about how their "religious freedom" to not serve Mexicans or Muslims are being infringed upon, and idiot masses will rush to aid them.
It isn't about anyone's FEELINGS, it is about the rights of legal citizens. Trust me I don't give a ***about FEELINGS.
However, I served my 5 years in the military to protect the rights of US citizens, and that includes those who are black, of a Mexican heritage, of a Muslim faith, AND those who are struggling to enter the country. Luckily for you I also served to protect the rights of bigots, idiots, racists, and morons who can't understand the concepts of basic human rights.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-04 10:32:16
Should be put in Webster's Dictionary.
Congratufrickinlations (n.)
- To celebrate somebody's achievement by waving the middle finger.
So you ran 5 KMs today? Congratufrickinlations.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-04 10:36:11
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Japanese can do as they please. I'm just saying that Americans are more accepting of other people than Japanese.
The US is huge. Where are we talking? Metropolis'? Small towns? Back country? Like you been outside your city.
With your viewpoints, I highly doubt you make it past your city limits.
Elaborate. Since you know more about me than I do. It has nothing to do with that, like I said, based by your viewpoints, I highly doubt you ever made it past your city limits.
Believe what you want KN, you've already a knack for mental gymnastics. Prove otherwise then.
Passport? Travel documents? Visas? Airship pass?
Let's quit pretending like any evidence I provide would mean anything to you.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-04 10:36:53
Can you imagine the outrage if say Applebee's put up a sign saying No Mexican customers. It would be headline news. Well, we kinda did that once upon a time...
and we might do it again next year? Yea what Trump is talking about has nothing to do with that. He is talking about people entering illegal. I know it is a hard concept to follow but we have borders for a reason. The reason being that we couldn't steal the rest of Mexico or any of Canada.
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By fonewear 2016-08-04 10:37:32
They are criminals and if you want to treat criminals with decency that is on you. I prefer they follow the rule of law.
Absolutely they must be held to the law, but yes, criminals are also human beings and we have systems in place to (attempt to) ensure they are treated as such while they are held in correctional facilities.
The thing is, the way things are going with Trump's supporters, it isn't just the criminals that are facing the effects of the bigotry being generated. Just like you completely blew past what I said about how not all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, that is exactly what many other people will do. Legitimate Americans of Mexican heritage will have to suffer because of the blatant ignorance put on display by people who take that position.
Law doesn't dictate how people should "feel". If you are worried about hurting Mexican's feelings I'm sure there is a Hallmark store somewhere nearby.
But the law does dictate how business owners are allowed to or not allowed to discriminate their customer base. If a business does discriminate based on race then they become the criminals.
However, because this *** is being pushed hard from Trump, it will probably get the blind eye. Racists will spout some nonsense about how their "religious freedom" to not serve Mexicans or Muslims are being infringed upon, and idiot masses will rush to aid them.
It isn't about anyone's FEELINGS, it is about the rights of legal citizens. Trust me I don't give a ***about FEELINGS.
However, I served my 5 years in the military to protect the rights of US citizens, and that includes those who are black, of a Mexican heritage, of a Muslim faith, AND those who are struggling to enter the country. Luckily for you I also served to protect the rights of bigots, idiots, racists, and morons who can't understand the concepts of basic human rights.
Military is to serve legal citizens but thanks for trying.
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-08-04 10:37:53
So you ran 5 KMs today? Congratufrickinlations. Gotta hatch those Pokemon eggs.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-08-04 10:38:02
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Let's quit pretending like any evidence I provide would mean anything to you.
"I bet you took that from google"
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-08-04 10:38:31
Can you imagine the outrage if say Applebee's put up a sign saying No Mexican customers. It would be headline news. Well, we kinda did that once upon a time...
and we might do it again next year? Yea what Trump is talking about has nothing to do with that. He is talking about people entering illegal. I know it is a hard concept to follow but we have borders for a reason. The reason being that we couldn't steal the rest of Mexico or any of Canada.
Mexico started a war and we made them pay for it!
By fonewear 2016-08-04 10:38:36
If you feel compelled protect illegal immigrants more power to you. But I don't think they should be here to begin with.
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Let's try to be a little more tame.
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