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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-09-30 15:21:11  
You're the only one making a sweeping assumption with literally nothing to back up that claim that racism is on its last dregs...

Racism is not on its last dregs and you're literally blind/deaf/dumb, willfully ignorant, don't leave your basement or lucky to somehow have navigated life without encountering it...

The things you say just boggle the mind... But yes you are just believing what you want to believe somewhere far away from reality...
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 15:25:19  
So what is your basis that racism is a serious issue in the US?
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-30 15:29:04  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
You're the only one making a sweeping assumption with literally nothing to back up that claim that racism is on its last dregs...

Racism is not on its last dregs and you're literally blind/deaf/dumb, willfully ignorant, don't leave your basement or lucky to somehow have navigated life without encountering it...

The things you say just boggle the mind... But yes you are just believing what you want to believe somewhere far away from reality...

Don't fall for the establishment political parties attempts to keep us divided as a nation. They use paid agent provocateurs to infiltrate our peaceful protests nationwide to sew a message of hatred to keep us against one another. When we should be keeping our eyes keen on what our so called leaders are doing to our nation and our Rights.
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-09-30 15:36:01  
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Don't worry about how i am spending my time i know what i am doing with it.

I'm not worried, I just want to make sure you're utilizing your time to it's maximum potential. I want to see balance and peace on earth too, I've just got bills and ***.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-09-30 15:39:51  
eliroo said: »
So what is your basis that racism is a serious issue in the US?
Look around you? read a news article? Get out of your comfort zone and go somewhere else? If you want some low hanging fruit go to foxnews.com and read the comment section of any article that has to do with police or BLM...

Rid yourself of the ignorance that everything in the states isn't like the little bubble you live in...
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-30 15:40:21  
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Ah, White privilege. The ultimate dismissal of anyone's opposing views on the current race relations in America.

Who is likely to be racist?

A white person who grew up believing that all races are equal who never sees racism in practice.

A black person who grew up believing that the white man and police are never on his side and always look down on him, who sees racism in everyday activies.
Your false dichotomy is ridiculous, but does the white person pretend that racism is cured and anyone complaining about it is being dramatic? Because I still think he or she would come out on top.
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 15:46:29  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
eliroo said: »
So what is your basis that racism is a serious issue in the US?
Look around you? read a news article? Get out of your comfort zone and go somewhere else? If you want some low hanging fruit go to foxnews.com and read the comment section of any article that has to do with police or BLM...

Rid yourself of the ignorance that everything in the states isn't like the little bubble you live in...


That is a terrible basis, I could literally dsy the same thing back to you and it would hold the same value.


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eliroo said: »
Ah, White privilege. The ultimate dismissal of anyone's opposing views on the current race relations in America.

Who is likely to be racist?

A white person who grew up believing that all races are equal who never sees racism in practice.

A black person who grew up believing that the white man and police are never on his side and always look down on him, who sees racism in everyday activies.
Your false dichotomy is ridiculous, but does the white person pretend that racism is cured and anyone complaining about it is being dramatic? Because I still think he or she would come out on top.

You are reaching. If you are referencing me, I didn't claim Racism was "cured" I claimed that it is not a serious issue in the US. I don't see segregated restrooms or schools. People are not denying Blacks certain rights. I live in the south too, where such behavior is expected.

Also would that make someone who says "racism is cured" racist? Do you even understand what racism is?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-09-30 15:53:35  
You keep using examples of institutionalized racism which does your arguments no favors. Also validates the notions of others regarding your exposure.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-30 15:57:21  
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I don't see segregated restrooms or schools. People are not denying Blacks certain rights
Racism doesn't stop existing because it's not so extreme.
Discrimination, including towards a specific race, means treating someone as second class citizen based on a specific trait. It comes in many places, in many forms. Come on.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-09-30 16:02:53  
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You are reaching. If you are referencing me, I didn't claim Racism was "cured" I claimed that it is not a serious issue in the US. I don't see segregated restrooms or schools. People are not denying Blacks certain rights. I live in the south too, where such behavior is expected.

Also would that make someone who says "racism is cured" racist? Do you even understand what racism is?
Proclaiming it "mostly extinct" belittles the people who still deal with things beyond your middle school definition of racism. If their protests aren't worth the time of day, then how is that different than making them drink out of their own water fountain? They're still being put in a box and told they don't matter.
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 16:03:43  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
You keep using examples of institutionalized racism which does your arguments no favors. Also validates the notions of others regarding your exposure.

My examples are based off of what I truly believe racism looks like when it becomes a serious issue.

I'm earnestly asking you, describe the racism that plagues our nation to such an extent that it should be addressed.


I'm also not saying there aren't racist people. I live in the south there are (mostly older) people here who are racist, but I don't see them in the droves. I don't see them negatively effect a black persons life either. They just have their shallow opinions.

I live in what is considered to be an "unsafe" area that is predominately a black community. I ran an open gym in a neighborhood that was mostly black. I played with the guys, talked to them, knew about their lives and I was their friend. I never heard them speak of all the injustices done to their lives.

That was a few years ago though, so maybe there is something I'm missing. Every example of modern racism from others is typically just stereotyping in my view. Which can be negative if taken as a true judge of a persons personality but I wouldn't consider it racism.

So again, give me an earnest answer but don't act like I stay inside all day and just assume from my computer chair because that isn't where I draw my conclusions.


I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong but I ask that you discuss it without assuming my eyes and ears are closed.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-30 16:07:52  
You do realize there is a world beyond your own personal experience though right?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-30 16:09:49  
You've really never witnessed any kind of discrimination in your life?
The prejudice and bullying can cause a lot of sufference in a person's life, especially if experienced since a young age.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-30 16:22:28  
eslim said: »
everyone carries a certain satire, make everyone around you comfortable with your presence when faces are a thing to behold; instead of radicalizing the concept of who and what a "certain satire" past up and down you.

face the present and concept one, then just google the rest.
(headphones help, ppl love "trigger")

I would like to go ahead and buy a vowel Pat....
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 16:27:45  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You've really never witnessed any kind of discrimination in your life?
The prejudice and bullying can cause a lot of sufference in a person's life, especially if experienced since a young age.

I've experienced it, I have been discriminated against before. I have been bullied. I've also witnessed racism and sexism.

Seeing something a few times or even experiencing it once or twice doesn't make it a plague or an epidemic. It doesn't make it as big as the mentality against it here is.

Shiva.Nikolce said: »
You do realize there is a world beyond your own personal experience though right?

so my experiences in society can't be used to formulate my opinion on what the society I live in is like?

What are we supposed to base our opinion on though? I can't possibly experience someoneelses view nor can I conform too it because it isn't my experience.

Your argument can be used to validate my opinion as well, it adds nothing to the discussion.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-30 16:31:48  
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Don't worry about how i am spending my time i know what i am doing with it.

I'm not worried, I just want to make sure you're utilizing your time to it's maximum potential. I want to see balance and peace on earth too, I've just got bills and ***.

I hear you man i do too. With the new changes i want to implement all americans will see cheaper bills.

Gas and oil will be cheaper, electric as well, I will unfetter our nation's resources and renewable energy platforms we won't be spending u.s taxpayer money for Saudi Oil.

You're never going to see a tax collector again unless you deal in export business.

You're going to make your full gross paycheck, the federal government won't be taking taxes out of your hard earned work.

The only taxes you will see with be through your State where you and your fellow citizens have control over raising them or lowering them every time you get a chance to vote.

There will be a charity drives nationwide if you want to voluntarily give the federal government a penny it's your choice you're not obligated to.

You're going to get your privacy back with even more civil liberties restored that have been restricted by numerous regulations and laws.

Political party organizations will be abolished and our Election system will be free and fair and open to the citizens of the United States to participate in as Independent Individuals.

Most importantly your Constitutional Republic will be restored you will have your nation back.

Teach your children and family to vote to keep their Constitutional Republic and their nation Honest. So we never lose it again to divisive political parties that want to take our rights and hold control over our individual destiny's.

For A Better America my friend
God bless the Constitutional Republic called The United States of America
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 16:39:05  
I am against racism, sexism or really anything that brings about inequality. You can quote me on this if you want. If I see bullying for whatever reason - I will try to stop it. I'm not for living in a nation where racism is acceptable.

You are right that my experience, may be limited.

But if I go throughout my life and don't see enough evidence to indicate that it is an epidemic then why am I wrong in assuming that it is an epidemic?

Someone who has experienced it every day of their life, will obviously make a bigger deal about it because they lived with it. But am I not judging my views objectively while the person living in it is viewing it subjectively?

It doesn't belittle their plight, but their example doesn't disprove my point either.

But maybe even one example is enough to make it an injustice worth fighting for, maybe I am wrong in that matter. Then what though, how do we fix it? Do we treat everyone that doesn't think its a problem as racists? As white priveleged people? Do we have outrageous race riots that create fear?
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By eliroo 2016-09-30 16:43:06  
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-30 16:44:10  
There is nothing inherently wrong with being privileged. I am high society myself.

The problem is when based on this nice point of view the problems of those outside of the scope are dismissed.
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By fonewear 2016-09-30 17:15:31  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
There is nothing inherently wrong with being privileged. I am high society myself.

The problem is when based on this nice point of view the problems of those outside of the scope are dismissed.

Oh my I'm rubbing keyboards with high society ! Such a privilege for us dirty peasants.
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By fonewear 2016-09-30 17:19:56  
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By fonewear 2016-09-30 17:26:17  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
eliroo said: »
So what is your basis that racism is a serious issue in the US?
Look around you? read a news article? Get out of your comfort zone and go somewhere else? If you want some low hanging fruit go to foxnews.com and read the comment section of any article that has to do with police or BLM...

Rid yourself of the ignorance that everything in the states isn't like the little bubble you live in...

What do police have to do with black mages ?
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-09-30 17:26:43  
Racism is just tribalism for dummies, and as long as we're too compassionate to euthanize the stupid, it will exist. We can only contain it by making sure we are all provided equal opportunity under the law. A more rigorous screening for who becomes a law enforcement officer wouldn't be a bad move either though.

idk.

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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-30 17:28:00  
Education plays a big role in this too. It's all about upbringing afterall.
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By fonewear 2016-09-30 17:28:53  
Siren.Mosin said: »
Racism is just tribalism for dummies, and as long as we're too compassionate to euthanize the stupid, it will exist. We can only contain it by making sure we are all provided equal opportunity under the law. A more rigorous screening for who becomes a law enforcement officer wouldn't be a bad move either though.

idk.

I want to go home and drink.

That's the most intelligent thing I've read all day kudos.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-09-30 17:30:39  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Education plays a big role in this too. It's all about upbringing afterall.
^But this type of thinking makes me a soviet to some posters here lol.
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By fonewear 2016-09-30 17:32:22  
So you want to end racism what will Al Sharpton do for work then ?
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