Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

What's even worse, there is no leadership other than Pelosi and Warren.

The other leaders were ostracized due to corruption (Clinton, Schultz, Brazile), old age (Reid, Clinton, Clinton), insanity (Clinton), and just plain callousness (Obama).

In other words, Democrats just have nobody left to lead them. There is no savior for the party of corruption. Heck, even the one's replacing them shows that they are out of touch with most of America.

yep doubling down on stupid means they have no other message than stupid.

Get ready for Mt Trumpmore!

If this is the argument you guys are putting forth it begs to question who the stupid one really is...

To be fair, the DNC did toss the election out the window once they went full guns running with Clinton at the very start. Trump didn't win the election, Clinton lost the election. They could have picked any other non-controversial and somewhat inspiring candidate but instead they chose Clinton and very clearly supported her from the beginning with the media in cahoots.

The other side of the coin is true also.

The RNC's message could have been more geared towards any of the other 13+ candidates and gotten them nominated and it would have been a total sweep for the Republicans....instead, we got Donald Trump and it still was a total sweep for the Republicans.

But I agree with you. It was not Trump's election to win, but Clinton's to lose, and she lost big(ly).

I think we could get into a discussion about the voting habits off both Republicans and Democrats but I don't think it would end us anywhere good.

I do think the Trump nomination showed us what we need to know about the republican party and they need some sort of reform in the same way that the DNC does. Or they both can just go away :)

Can't really, because this election threw what was considered "normal voting habits" out the door.

Trump was basically nominated (and essentially elected) because people were tired of being ignored. Out of all the nominees on both sides, Trump was the only one who seemed to listen to those between NYC and LA. Everyone else pretty much ignored the rest of the country.

The DNC took it a step further and purposefully supported a candidate over another in it's own ranks. Who knows, this is probably normal for them. Would explain why Obama got nominated over Clinton in 2008, the same biases were prevalent then as it was in 2016. And if mood is any indication, Sanders is pretty much guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020. Because they aren't learning their lesson, are they?

Probably the guy who can't come up with a decent counter so he just calls people names.

This is short sighted.

Obama threw himself out there as "this is about my legacy" for the entire campaign season. The rejection of Clinton is just as much about the rejection of Obama.

Trump won because he rejected rino-ism and because of the things he campaigned on (the wall).

Sanders will be way to old to run for president. We will see who will come to light in the following years.

People fighting that idea are still in the "denial" stage of heir grief.

The only other person who could run would be Warren, and the problem is, she is way too far to the left to be electable.

So is Sanders, but that's not going to stop them.

If the American people just elected some "undesirable" person because the other candidate and party pretty much ignores more than half of the nation, you don't double down on that same policy that got the other side elected!

You are wrong and the number of people that voted show it. Trump got about the same number of votes as an republican candidate. He didn't win over anyone, the Republicans just showed up and voted party like they normally do. Clinton on the other hand disenfranchised voters and not only received less votes but should have realistically received more. This election wasn't about Trump winning people over, it was about Clinton turning people off.

Crap. It's looking like Kanye may be their only choice after all.

Keith Ellison, Tulsi Gabbard


They also need someone far-left, if this election is enough evidence.

Only in America could a social-democrat be considered "too far left". Rest of the world that's *** normal left. Green is far left. Commies are far left. But oh I forgot, they do conflate them with communists.

This isn't entirely true. There were some very interesting demographic shifts (for both parties), many of which weren't predicted by anybody. He overperformed in several blue states, underperformed in several red, and had better margins with the minorities than people expected based on previous elections.

That is a very incorrect analysis, since the so-called "Blue Wall" states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin all went to Trump. These states have historically voted for democrats throughout the years since GWHB and were considered "impenetrable" to the democrats/liberals up until this year.

That will just alienate the rest of the country even more.

Fine by me, if the democrats/liberals want to keep losing representations in various states and national elections every 2 years, who's to stop them besides themselves?

You're going to run into this problem a lot when people conflate the results of the popular vote and electoral college when conducive to their opinion.

Example:
A: The people have spoken America wants Trump.
B: How is that? Clinton has 2 million more votes.
A: The popular vote doesn't matter. He won the electoral college in a landslide
B: But you were talking about the people not the electoral college. More Americans voted for Clinton than Trump.
A: Yeah well, more of America voted for Trump than Clinton.
B: Okay.
A: Sore loser.
B: Yeah, Okay get back to us when those campaign promises aren't fulfilled.
A: Still a better choice then Clinton.
B: If you say so

C: All of the above.

Always go with all of the above !

In the time you spent talking about whatever...you could have beaten FFXV !

Or the Bart Simpson approach "ABACADABA"

Can we just stop bringing the popular vote argument up? If Trump really wanted to win the popular vote at the expense of electoral votes, he could have done so. Unless we revert to a popular vote election, it will always be a near-meaningless metric.

I'll just beat it in 10hrs when it comes out on PC 5 yrs from now, like many people have done already. Also, it's all about Titanfall 2. Highly recommend it.

Yea but with all the pointless side quests that 10 hours will turn into well over 50 hours !

no... the "Al Gore won" crowd never let it go.

on the bright side Trump doesn't seem to be trying to appease them like bush did.

I'm still recovering from the election of 1800. John Adams won the popular vote damn it !