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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-12-01 14:10:57  
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Don't worry Seha,only the democrats were the ones focused on identity politics.
You forgot the sarcasm tags someone may be taking you literally lol...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:12:05  
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Wouldn't it be crazy if the president of the United States could effect the world by their decision and actions?
Indirectly. And that's because their own leaders are too weak to do anything about it.

Because America, *** Yeah!

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USA is like 75% of our total exports, which is 300ish billions. In other words, you guys really like maple syrup A LOT.
And we have you by the balls.

Don't piss us off too much, or we will get our oil syrup from China!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-12-01 14:12:34  
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All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

it just might be the dumbest thing I have ever read....

and I read the fracking debate where someone suggested falling off a ladder could cause an earthquake.
Oh that ***was great! Brace yourself when the garbage trucks come rumbling by!!!
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By eliroo 2016-12-01 14:14:56  
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
eliroo said: »
Wouldn't it be crazy if the president of the United States could effect the world by their decision and actions?

USA is like 75% of our total exports, which is 300ish billions. In other words, you guys really like maple syrup A LOT.


There really is a difference, my wife is from Canada and her family sends us maple syrup every now and then. Stuff is good.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-12-01 14:17:48  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

it just might be the dumbest thing I have ever read....

and I read the fracking debate where someone suggested falling off a ladder could cause an earthquake.
Oh that ***was great! Brace yourself when the garbage trucks come rumbling by!!!

I had to find the source to figure out the inside joke here. I thought it was fairly straightforward what he meant, even if it wasn't the best example. I guess maintaining the joke is more important than understanding the context, though.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-01 14:24:10  
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How much tax revenue does a homeless person pay again?
In the other Washington 8.9% of everything they buy.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:25:37  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

it just might be the dumbest thing I have ever read....

and I read the fracking debate where someone suggested falling off a ladder could cause an earthquake.
Oh that ***was great! Brace yourself when the garbage trucks come rumbling by!!!

I had to find the source to figure out the inside joke here. I thought it was fairly straightforward what he meant, even if it wasn't the best example. I guess maintaining the joke is more important than understanding the context, though.
Cause it's better for some people to laugh at others instead of talking to them, at least in their minds.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:26:10  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
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How much tax revenue does a homeless person pay again?
In the other Washington 8.9% of everything they buy.
And how much does a homeless person buy again vs. an employed person?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-12-01 14:31:00  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

it just might be the dumbest thing I have ever read....

and I read the fracking debate where someone suggested falling off a ladder could cause an earthquake.
Oh that ***was great! Brace yourself when the garbage trucks come rumbling by!!!

I had to find the source to figure out the inside joke here. I thought it was fairly straightforward what he meant, even if it wasn't the best example. I guess maintaining the joke is more important than understanding the context, though.
Cause it's better for some people to laugh at others instead of talking to them, at least in their minds.
When you say stuff like this it does make me laugh because of how ridiculous it is... you belittle people constantly and are so petty when you don't get your way that you attempt to concoct plans to shut down the site... please... please stop trying to make it seem like you're a decent human being via your interactions on this site because that is truly laughable...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:32:17  
That's a lot of projection there Flavin. It's almost sounding like you are criticizing yourself.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-12-01 14:32:31  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

it just might be the dumbest thing I have ever read....

and I read the fracking debate where someone suggested falling off a ladder could cause an earthquake.
Oh that ***was great! Brace yourself when the garbage trucks come rumbling by!!!

I had to find the source to figure out the inside joke here. I thought it was fairly straightforward what he meant, even if it wasn't the best example. I guess maintaining the joke is more important than understanding the context, though.
Of course you would ^^
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-12-01 14:33:22  
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It's illuminating instead to have this conversation about whether someone is black enough.

Liberals are the ones who played identity politics, don't get salty when it bites you in the ***. President is just as much a "White President" as a "Black President", he's of mixed ethnicity (which is a good thing BTW) and instead of using that to project a message of unity, Democrats used that to project a message of "we're so modern and progressive cause we just elected a Black President". The proceeded to keep pushing it for eight years, all the while alienating the rural white middle-class population. Alienating that population so much that they didn't even bother counting or researching them for polls, cause you know, "rural white people don't matter".

And now Trumps elected President lol.

All I can see is someone salty about Obama's presidency trying to link gibberish together to make a point that doesn't exist.

Umm I voted for Obama..... and was on the other side of this debate, until the liberals got WAY to stupid and militant. Go look up the 2008 Presidential election arguments we had on here.

Yeah shocking right, I'm not a conservative nor am I a liberal, just kind of in the middle. Unfortunately being "in the middle" is now too conservative and I'm not politically correct enough for them so I get vilified. Kinda fun to watch people shoot themselves in the foot.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-12-01 14:33:30  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
That's a lot of projection there Flavin. It's almost sounding like you are criticizing yourself.
Yeop... that's totally it KN.. lol...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:35:03  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
That's a lot of projection there Flavin. It's almost sounding like you are criticizing yourself.
Yeop... that's totally it KN.. lol...
Hey, at least you understood the projection this time.

Maybe there's hope for you yet!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-01 14:35:26  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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How much tax revenue does a homeless person pay again?
In the other Washington 8.9% of everything they buy.
And how much does a homeless person buy again vs. an employed person?
Were it zero they would starve. We have sales tax on everything except "professional services"* here. This includes groceries and prepared food.

*Hire a lawyer or architect you pay no sales taxes on their services. Hire a plumber or electrician, its 8.9% to the governor.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:39:07  
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Were it zero they would starve. We have sales tax on everything except "professional services"* here. This includes groceries and prepared food.
Wait, they don't have social assistance in the state considered closest to socialism in this country?

Hell, Texas is heavy Republican, and we have a whole lot of private and public support for the needy. Maybe your state should take leaf from our book.

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*Hire a lawyer or architect you pay no sales taxes on their services. Hire a plumber or electrician, its 8.9% to the governor.



States have the same structure of spending as the federal government. The state Congress (or close imitation in your case) controls the "purse" and the governor directs the people spending it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-12-01 14:43:00  
King, WA does somethings better than TX and TX does some things better than WA. But one thing we do better than any other state is how regressive our tax structure is.

And that's EXACTLY how it works in WA.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:44:35  
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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eliroo said: »
Wouldn't it be crazy if the president of the United States could effect the world by their decision and actions?
Indirectly. And that's because their own leaders are too weak to do anything about it.

Because America, *** Yeah!

Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
USA is like 75% of our total exports, which is 300ish billions. In other words, you guys really like maple syrup A LOT.
And we have you by the balls.

Don't piss us off too much, or we will get our oil syrup from China!

Goes both ways, we will also get our stuff from China!
Trump: Make China great again!
Your threats would have more meaning if we actually exported more than we imported.

Then again, your deficit is only a drop in the bucket compared to ours.

In other words:

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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-12-01 14:47:24  
eliroo said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Depends on how you view a half filled/emptied glass.
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Oh wow he paid some people to stay in Indiana

do either of you have an example of another politician keeping a campaign promise before he/she ever got into office?

I'd really like to see how it stacks up.


The tax breaks apparently offered them more money than what they would save on shipping the jobs oversea. It seems like a band-aid to keep jobs in America but take money out of the tax payers pockets. Imagine if other companies want to make deals like these.

Jobs will stay in America sure, but Companies will just be robbing us of more and more of our tax dollars.
They love to do this here in Illinois. Then 8 months after the payout, the companies still move out of state while keeping a skeleton staff of like 10 people at their new in-state "headquarters".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:49:11  
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But one thing we do better than any other state is how regressive our tax structure is.
....um...you do know that Texas doesn't have an individual income tax either, right?

And...our tax rates range between 6.25% to 8.75%, while the average is 8.25%

Washington and Texas's property tax rates are also comparable, along with the same types of tax exemptions (mainly homeland and investment property).

In other words.....we are basically the same in this aspect.

You got to name something that Washington is better at Texas. And don't say coffee, because Starbucks and Seattle's Best are ***.
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Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
eliroo said: »
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Depends on how you view a half filled/emptied glass.
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Oh wow he paid some people to stay in Indiana

do either of you have an example of another politician keeping a campaign promise before he/she ever got into office?

I'd really like to see how it stacks up.


The tax breaks apparently offered them more money than what they would save on shipping the jobs oversea. It seems like a band-aid to keep jobs in America but take money out of the tax payers pockets. Imagine if other companies want to make deals like these.

Jobs will stay in America sure, but Companies will just be robbing us of more and more of our tax dollars.
They love to do this here in Illinois. Then 8 months after the payout, the companies still move out of state while keeping a skeleton staff of like 10 people at their new in-state "headquarters".
Can you give an example?
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-12-01 14:52:27  
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You got to name something that Washington is better at Texas
Music. But this is coming from somebody who was in college mid 90's, so my taste was and still is seattle grunge.
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By eliroo 2016-12-01 14:54:42  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »

You got to name something that Washington is better at Texas. And don't say coffee, because Starbucks and Seattle's Best are ***.

Coffee.

Co-worker knows all about seattles coffee and reminds me how crappy the options in TX are.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 14:55:20  
Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
You got to name something that Washington is better at Texas
Music. But this is coming from somebody who was in college mid 90's, so my taste was and still is seattle grunge.
Austin would like a talk with you.

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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-12-01 14:58:57  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
eliroo said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Depends on how you view a half filled/emptied glass.
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Oh wow he paid some people to stay in Indiana

do either of you have an example of another politician keeping a campaign promise before he/she ever got into office?

I'd really like to see how it stacks up.


The tax breaks apparently offered them more money than what they would save on shipping the jobs oversea. It seems like a band-aid to keep jobs in America but take money out of the tax payers pockets. Imagine if other companies want to make deals like these.

Jobs will stay in America sure, but Companies will just be robbing us of more and more of our tax dollars.
They love to do this here in Illinois. Then 8 months after the payout, the companies still move out of state while keeping a skeleton staff of like 10 people at their new in-state "headquarters".
Can you give an example?
Looking into it, found an article that has quite a few listed. chicago tribune link
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Chicago-based Mondelez International Inc., best known as manufacturer of the Oreo cookie, is the most recent example of how companies can hedge tax breaks at taxpayer expense, the Tribune found.

Mondelez announced in July that about 600 workers would be laid off from its Chicago factory on South Kedzie Avenue. The production line is being moved to Salinas, Mexico, to save money, officials said.

But Mondelez operates a second manufacturing facility in Naperville that is licensed as a limited liability company, Mondelez Global — a common corporate maneuver for tax and liability purposes.

The Naperville facility received an EDGE contract in 2013 and agreed to invest $35 million in the facility and create 25 new jobs. One arm of the company thus became eligible to receive tax breaks for adding 25 jobs while another arm laid off 600.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-12-01 15:09:04  
eliroo said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »

You got to name something that Washington is better at Texas. And don't say coffee, because Starbucks and Seattle's Best are ***.

Coffee.

Co-worker knows all about seattles coffee and reminds me how crappy the options in TX are.
Subjective to personal taste!

We need to agree on something that's not subjective that either state is better than the other.

I already gave an example of what Texas is better at. I also stated what Washington and Texas are just about as good at with each other.
 
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