Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

Your posts might look more intelligent if they weren't all about some progressive boogyman trying to spread his evil to the world.

So teaching our kids to be deductive is a bad thing? The best way to do Mental math is to simplify the problem which is what the "new way" does in that image vs. the almost non-mental "old way".

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Umm those guys kinda existed and did real things to the world that resulted in lots of death, poverty and overall bad experiences. They were assisted by entities that are still in existence today, those entities make contributions to political parties around the world, including the USA. One has to look no further then all the failed or failing socialist states to see what happens when Progressives are allowed to push their ideology.

All this math while you could be playing FFXV ?

Picked up my Copy but I have to wait for my wife to come home from his trip (This weekend). So I will just sit here in agony with the rest of you guys.

Been playing a bit today pretty damn fun so far.

Anyhow before someone tries to nit pick about my Common Core statement, CC itself doesn't prescribe or mandate any specific curriculum or material, only require strict standards and certification for that material. At the same time CC's standards were developed, the same people also developed curriculum's and material that was CC approved and provided either free or at low cost. So when an educational entity takes on CC they are provided with a choice, either use the prepackaged and readily available material or pay money to have new curriculum and material developed and CC certified. Schools' aren't going to go with that later option for the same reason they are forced to take on CC, lack of funding.

So while CC itself doesn't have a required ideological slant, the material provided and the standards for certification are heavily slanted towards progressive new-think. That "Genderbread person", or something similar, is required to be taught as part of a CC approved curriculum under "Gender Identity". Gets kinda weird when you start digging through the requirements and material.

Mine is sitting in my car while I sit here in my office... GAAAWWWWWD

from her* trip.

Common core seems like an overly complex way of doing math going by that example.

They have had us waiting for 9 years, it better be fun!

I don't think I've ever been disappointed in a FF series game before, a little less excited to play a few but never disappointed. So I'm sure they will live up to the hype.

I'll tell you what the flaw is:

Once a person figures out the method that works best for them; all desire to learn an alternative method to reach the same end is lost.

The focus on number sense is a great concept but humans are inherently flawed.

It's like: You know that 7x7=49 but did you know that if you know that but knew that 7x3=21 and 7x4=28 and that 3+4 = 7 then (7x3)+(7x4) = (7x7)?

One it's so abstract with the attention span these days you lose them, they do not draw the deduction to connect the sum of 3 and 4 to the sum of the products. On top of the fact most kids just memorize doubles so they don't even care by the time you cover concepts like this. But there will be one kid who has been struggling the whole time who suddenly had an epiphany. This is coming from first hand experience.

I think it is supposed to be less about doing the math and getting an outcome but rather how you get to outcome.

I'm 6 hours in. 8 hours of playtime left today.

Although I should eat at some point.

Are we now stretching to defend a really crappy method of teaching math?

The abacus is oppressive too.

That's the fundamental premise - breaking a problem down into its basic elements so the methods become more intuitive instead of simply memorized. The viral examples that make their rounds on the internet aren't provided by any CC board and are probably a result of teachers adjusting to teaching in a way that differs from how they were taught.

I still use my fingers and toes to do math...so if it is over 20 I don't even bother !

Since CC standards don't teach particular methods, no we're not.

Again "Common Core" was a good concept that was usurped by Liberal Progressive university Professors deciding to use it as a tool for social change on a national level. Teaching the old way was too straight forward and they wanted to ensure the children were exposed to these complex abstract thinking methods. Abstract as in the ideal that everyone can "just share everything" and have happy lives.

Looks like it will better prepare kids for higher levels of math. The box method is vastly superior long form in terms of mental thinking.

As Pleebo mentioned, teachers are probably doing a terrible job conveying this but I think the concept is something that should be taught.

"Vastly superior" is an opinion, but you're not presenting it as such. Beyond that, good ideas that cannot be implemented properly are bad ideas. There are other ways to teach children to think outside the box without screwing with their ability to think inside the box too.

Don't worry when AI gets to the level of a high school student it won't be able to do Algebra.

Why can it not be implemented? These
aren't radical principles and chances are this is how a lot of us approach problem solving even if we're not fully cognizant of it. Many states are still adjusting to new standards so of course there are going to be hiccups.

Not really. There were wisecracks about his B movie status but he had been governor of California, had stated political stances, and there was no one like Kane waiting in the wings and saying "hey, I'm a celebrity, I'm gonna run for president too!"

I find that a bit odd seeing as the Plum Book, published by the GPO, lists all the appointed positions that a political toady could possibly get.

Or intentional hyperbole.

Speaking of hyperbole... *channels LG and Nausi levels of conspiracy thinking*

RP&R XV was made the same week FF XV was released.

Coincidence? I think not.

Have we a Lordgrim signal?

Advanced abstract thinking is something you get into near the end of High School and into University, it's not something suitable for younger children. Again the people who came up with this were University Professors who had never taught K-12, for them this was purely a theoretical experiment turned into opportunity to spread their ideology.

If you want to learn abstract thinking just study Philosophy which should be required in high school.