Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

I think it has to do with the results, which may in fact be a teaching problem. They are teaching reasoning which for most older teachers is going to be completely different than what they have been teaching. Common core may actually be better we just haven't had the chance to develop the proper way of teaching it. I would much rather my children learn deductive reasoning then to just simply learn formulas.

Look at the examples I posted earlier, which one do you think teaches applicable stuff more?

Wait are we talking about the actual alt right or the phantom fake alt right that the left wants to smear as only white racists?

You share a lot with the alt-right.

How long have you been a racist?

It may be a teaching issue, but then again, it may not.

It may also be a learning issue. Children may not be able to grasp concepts as advanced as what you are proposing, and may be suffering because the lessons are attempting to teach such concepts and/or teaching such concepts incorrectly.

Then again, like you said, we may not have enough data to determine if CC is right or not. Although, preliminary results do show that it hasn't worked.

Do we take the chance or do we revert back to the old method that really wasn't bad to begin with? Remember, our children's education progress has just as much to do with family involvement as it does with school involvement.

I thought everyone right of liberals are racists.

That's what protesters and the media keeps telling everyone.

So, is your solution where we spread more "democracy" to other countries forcibly? How again did that work in the past for the US?

Maybe we should start with Canada first....

So each and every liberal subscribes to the notion that each and every Donald Trump voter is deplorable?

So you're young and you have your whole life ahead of you to ponder these great mysteries. There is no race to cement your ideals into stone tablets right now. Take your time. Stay loose and keep an open mind. Not open to the point of gullibility.... But open at least to the point of empathy. Listen to others without judging them right off. I know it's cheesy as a plate of nachos but try the serenity prayer

Altana, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

I think if we can all acknowledge that the old teaching methods were wrong in the first place we can all agree that something needs to change. Maybe CC isn't the answer but instead of trying to remove it, we should find ways to either make it better or change it entirely. Standing in the way of change, in regards to our children's education, is only going to hurt our future generations.

Just because a portion of the left has been crying wolf (racist) for so long it's lost meaning doesn't mean there aren't actual racists in the alt-right movement.

I just wanted to point out that Raymerez's argument was still on topic to what he was discussing and what you were replying to. By you claiming that his argument was a strawman then you are admitting that your argument was a red herring.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ARE EITHER.

Have you personally talked to any of them?

There's not much evidence stating the contrary.

Sure, I cannot say every liberal, but when the spokespeople for the liberal message and a vast number of liberal supporters (almost 5 million people) are stating what I stated, then you have to admit that my answer would be the general consensus.

I'm sure you will twist this into saying that people who voted for Trump are "deplorables" based by your interpretation of my words. Go for it.

Jesus christ, the guy is just sharing his opinion and is genuinely curious about what political platform he falls under and everyone starts badgering on him with ad hominem attacks.

That isn't how you approach someone, none-the-less talk to them about the issues facing our nation(s). If you wanna convince someone they are wrong try doing it in a respectable manor and maybe they will listen and understand.

Mostly they are running from a multifaceted war. Its rather hard to fix your country when you are being barrel bombed.

Also backread. I posted the makeup article some pages ago.


What does the Ohio State attack have to do with European immigration?

This is the same George Soros who is BBFs with Trump's Treasury secretary? Yep, thought so.

Except when it's standing in the way of making things worse.

Remember, people were stating before Obamacare was passed that it was a bad idea. Just not enough people were able to block it thanks to a Congressional ploy called "reconciliation."

Maybe change isn't always the best answer. Ever thought of that?

You...do know what a strawman argument is, right?

Face-to-face, not on the internet?

Not that I'm aware of. All of the racists I know in real life are the old school kind.

To be fair she said "Half of the Donald Trump supporters are deplorable" and quickly apologized for the statement (After it blew up in her face).

So it wasn't all Trump voters are deplorable, It was Half of the Trump supporters are deplorable. Which, to be fair, if you look at movements like the alt-right those people are pretty deplorable, but I don't know if they made up "Half" of his supporters at the time of the statement.

There was no straw man in my statement. What I was asking was a valid question because the conversation goes two entirely different ways based on your thought process.

You either don't see why saying "liberals all think all Trump supporters are deplorable" is an inherently problematic complaint OR you understand what you're saying and just feel your double standard is perfectly valid and acceptable.

Admitting that at least some people may have voted for DT because of his enabling of their inappropriate beliefs seems to somehow equate to saying his other voters share in those beliefs, ipso facto we're calling all of them deplorable racists/etc./etc.

Which I didn't think was the case, but unfortunately you have people like CJ who do run around calling each and every Trump voter racist/etc., so sadly there's evidence on both sides of gross generalizations and sweeping rhetoric causing major disconnect.

Change is usually the only answer...

Come on... any thinking person knows that the alt-right is comprised of many more factions than just white racists.

There are homophobes, neo natzis, white nationalists, mysigonists, and anti semites to name just a few factions.

But individual members of the alt right happen to be any faith, gender, or color you can imagine. For instance, one of the most respected loudmouths in the alt-right is a screaming British gay.

Exactly. Don't believe everything that you breathe. You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve....

Even if you do the fuzzy math on it (and ignore the same fuzzy math on Romney's 47% statement), you are still saying between 8-10% of all America are "deplorables." Are you willing to state that 24-40 million people in America are racist/sexist/xenophobic/<insert derogatory term>? And you wonder why Clinton lost still?

Where in any of my statements did I say all liberals?

I shown you evidence where liberals are saying that "half" or, in the case of Slate, all Trump supporters are deplorables. I also stated that these are the mouthpieces of the liberal mindset. I also stated that there are people who are acting based by what the liberal mouthpieces stated (hence the protests over a person who isn't even in power and they are protesting against).

I'm using evidence and you are using nothing but your own assertions. You claimed that I was being hypocritical, but you didn't point out the hypocrisy in any of my statements.

I also did not use double standards because, again, I'm using the liberal mouthpieces' own words.

DON'T PUSH YOUR SCIENTOLOGICAL CLAPTRAP ON ME

None of those qualifications of "deplorables" are a Republican-only trait.

There are just as many homophobes, neo-nazis, white (or people of color) nationalists, mysigonists, and anti-semites (hey, didn't the DNC just elect one of the most outspoken anti-semite to head the DNC chair?) on both sides of the aisles.

Or are you going to lambaste a problem against your "enemies" and ignore the problems within?

In a country of 325 million people 5 million isn't vast.

It isn't even half vast.

Eh, everyone's a little racist when you think about it. Go look at twitter or Facebook, I guess I can live with that.

Regardless though, conservatives have helped the country just as much as the Democrats if you take into consideration the democrats back then are more likely republican today in terms of values, and vice versa