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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-21 17:50:08  
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the threatened boycott from Breitbart staff
Evidence?

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If you read his statement, he explicitly accepts some of his remarks were wrong and it was the wrong approach for the topic before going into the usual media blame tactics
Good for him.

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He also takes responsibility and apologizes so the white knighting is pretty frivolous at this point.
Who is white-knighting him?

Edit: Cause I can.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-21 17:57:29  
Anytime you get into the semantics of the umbrella and sub categories of pedo' as a defense, you've lost... only Catholic Church can get away with it.
 
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-21 18:26:35  
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Anytime you get into the semantics of the umbrella and sub categories of pedo' as a defense, you've lost... only Catholic Church can get away with it.

Except you haven't been following. He was the 13yo in the relationship being mentioned. The whole thing was about how he felt at the time and his perception then. The media (your friends) edited it such it sounded like he was approving of himself having a relationship with a 13yo boy and thus the labeling and bashing began. There were two relationships discussed, first was him as a 13yo with both an older boy and an older priest, this is the relationship he was sexually abused in. The second one was when he was a 17 year old "boy" with a 29 yo homosexual male. The age of consent in that area was 16, so the relationship was between two consenting adults though he considered himself a child at that time.

He also discussed how his way of dealing with his abuse was making wildly inappropriate comments on things just to rile people up. Personally I don't like the guy, he's a *** for no reason other then to be a ***, I can also understand how being a *real* victim has emotionally damaged him and that's just the way he is now.

What's really *** up is people like Chanti and the wild dogs that make up the liberal religion viciously attacking someone who was an actual sexual abuse victim in a deliberately malicious character assassination. Simultaneously these same people animals (people don't do this to each other) have encouraged, sheltered fake victims and mattress girl.

Ultimately Milo's only crime was not being a Progressive and thus no longer being human in the eyes of the animals present here.
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By Viciouss 2017-02-21 18:39:28  
Oh that victim card.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-21 19:01:33  
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Anytime you get into the semantics of the umbrella and sub categories of pedo' as a defense, you've lost... only Catholic Church can get away with it.

Except you haven't been following. He was the 13yo in the relationship being mentioned. The whole thing was about how he felt at the time and his perception then. The media (your friends) edited it such it sounded like he was approving of himself having a relationship with a 13yo boy and thus the labeling and bashing began. There were two relationships discussed, first was him as a 13yo with both an older boy and an older priest, this is the relationship he was sexually abused in. The second one was when he was a 17 year old "boy" with a 29 yo homosexual male. The age of consent in that area was 16, so the relationship was between two consenting adults though he considered himself a child at that time.

He also discussed how his way of dealing with his abuse was making wildly inappropriate comments on things just to rile people up. Personally I don't like the guy, he's a *** for no reason other then to be a ***, I can also understand how being a *real* victim has emotionally damaged him and that's just the way he is now.

What's really *** up is people like Chanti and the wild dogs that make up the liberal religion viciously attacking someone who was an actual sexual abuse victim in a deliberately malicious character assassination. Simultaneously these same people animals (people don't do this to each other) have encouraged, sheltered fake victims and mattress girl.

Ultimately Milo's only crime was not being a Progressive and thus no longer being human in the eyes of the animals present here.


You assume too much.

I'm fully aware that Milo was the teenage boy in the equation. He is trying to rationalize from his perspective. He is also making commentary that attempts to normalize a situation where an adult takes advantage of a child. His own words today were he was victim.

Also, because words mean what most people think they mean. For most people, there is no distinction between pedophilia, ephebophilia, hepephilia. When people say "pedophile" they mean someone who rapes 14-year-olds every bit as much as they mean someone who rapes 6-year-olds. Trying to distract from the issue by mincing words is definitely a tactic of someone who's lost the argument.

The point is, we as a society have decided that children under the age of 16/17/18 etc. are, generally, unable to fully understand the ramifications of sex and are therefore unable to legally consent to it. Does that mean we all think when someone turns 16/17/18, a magical fairy descends from the heavens, waves a magic wand, and grants them the ability to consent? No. Does that mean we all think that no 15-year-old is capable of consenting? No. But *we have to draw the line somewhere*. Laws have to apply to everyone equally, or else there is no point to having laws at all. We definitely don't want to say 6-year-olds can consent, but we don't want to say a normal, able-minded 32-year-old can't.

There's a big gray area between 16 and 19 where some people are ready, but most aren't. So we put it at 16/17/18 depending on where we live and what that society has decided. The line has to go somewhere between 16 and 19 and no matter where you put it you'll have these morons blubbering about exceptions and whatnot. Yeah, we're going to have exceptions *no matter where we put that line*. So we just have to do the best we can to keep it on the safe side without being oppressive and making of bunch of legal headaches for people.

Denying someone the ability to consent to sex until they're 16/17/18 years of age, even if they're emotionally ready for it beforehand, damages and oppresses no one. But there has never been a law in the history of mankind that has ever perfectly applied to everyone in every situation. But we still gotta have them. We gotta have them or else we're just animals, living out in the Savannah, beating each other over the head, not having civilization, and dying in our early 30s.

When they start splitting hairs over ancient Greek terminology that literally no one but them uses, they're attempting to distract and deflect from that point, because they have no refutation for it.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-02-21 19:15:23  
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account‏@realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago

The so-called angry crowds in home districts of some Republicans are actually, in numerous cases, planned out by liberal activists. Sad!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-02-21 19:20:58  
I keep missing the casting calls for those.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:26:02  
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Anytime you get into the semantics of the umbrella and sub categories of pedo' as a defense, you've lost... only Catholic Church can get away with it.
there is a big difference between them.

One involves taking a natural teenage behavior we all went through with being attracted to other teenagers, and fails to grow in a normal healthy manner past that feeling into adulthood. So normal mental growth stagnates sexually.

The other is wholly unnatural behavior in which none of us experience that directly counters our design.

Donny please !
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-02-21 19:28:17  
Apparently Swedish news made headlines because of Trump's comments




Has to do with this story

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A police officer trained his gun on rioters in the Rinkeby suburb of Stockholm on Monday night.

The riots started at around 8pm when police were making an arrest near the underground station in Rinkeby.

"Several people" threw rocks at the officers, according to police, who later confirmed that one officer had fired at rioters.

"But nobody has been found injured at the scene and we have checked the hospitals and there hasn't been anyone with what could be gunshot wounds," police spokesperson Lars Byström told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper.

The unrest continued late into the night. At around 10.20pm police said that there had been a second violent riot, with seven to eight cars set on fire. An hour later they said that some stores in the area had been looted, although there were no reports on the extent of the looting.

A photographer from Dagens Nyheter said he had been assaulted by a group of around 15 people when arriving in Rinkeby to report on the unrest.

"I was hit with a lot of punches and kicks both to my body and my head. I have spent the night in hospital," he told the newspaper.

Shortly after midnight police reported that things had calmed down in the area.

Reports have been filed on three violent riots, violence against a police officer, two assaults, vandalism and aggravated thefts, according to an update on the police's website.

Rinkeby was one of several areas which saw violent unrest in 2013, with up to 30 fires a night and several police injured by stones. It is one of 15 areas listed by police as "particularly vulnerable" in a report from 2015, however they have denied any existence of "no go zones".
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-02-21 19:29:23  
Also going to post this because you see these trolls on youtube and other sites who spread this garbage:

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Is Sweden really a 'rape capital' as repeatedly suggested by sections of the international media? The Local consulted experts to get to the bottom of the matter.

In short, the answer is no.

Evidence for the claim usually comes in the form of comparative international statistics suggesting for example that Sweden has 63.5 reported rape incidents per 100,000 citizens, compared to 27.3 per 100,000 in the US, or 27.9 per 100,000 in Belgium, the nearest European country based on those numbers.

But comparing the number of reported rapes from one country to another is a process vulnerable to inaccuracies, several experts have told The Local.

Enrico Bisogno is the chief of data development and dissemination at the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (UNODC). He says that variations in how different countries record different crimes can play a "huge role" in influencing the results of these comparisons.

"Differences in reported crime data across countries are usually related to different reporting rates by victims (and/or detection by the police), different definitions of criminal offences by countries, and different counting rules," he explained.

"For example, countries can count one 'case' or every single episode. This can make a big difference, especially in cases of domestic violence: is every episode of violence between partners counted, or only the report made by the woman/wife?".

In Sweden, each case of sexual violence is recorded as a separate incident. So for example, if someone says they were raped by a partner every day for a fortnight, officers will record 14 potential crimes. In other countries the claim could be logged as a single incident.

Sweden also significantly broadened its definition of rape in 2005, which means the word "rape" can be used to record acts which would be called assault or bodily harm in other countries. That led to an increase in the number of rapes reported in the country in the years following the law change, which since appears to have levelled out, as the following graph shows:



Key: Purple line corresponds to number of rape reports, yellow line to number of sexual molestation reports, light blue line to sexual coercion reports and the top dark blue line is a combined figure for all three. Source: Brå

Another not insignificant variable to take into consideration is society's view of rape: in Sweden, where women's rights are in sharp focus, women are and have increasingly been encouraged to report sexual assaults or rapes, compared to other countries where there may still be a greater social stigma.

"As you can appreciate, all these factors can play a huge role in influencing figures, and for this reason, we always caution against making direct cross-country comparisons," UNODC expert Bisogno stressed.

"The way of counting crimes differs between countries. In Sweden, a victim can report several cases when he or she decides to report a rape," Stockholm University criminology professor Felipe Estrada reiterated.

"What we know is that we have a high number of reported rape cases. Since this is a crime with a high but varying hidden figure in every country in the world it is very difficult to say anything about the real level using reported cases," he added.

An alternative way of trying to measure the level of rape in a country is by consulting crime victim surveys rather than the number of reported crimes.

One such study looking into violence against women in the EU was published by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights (FRA) in 2014. It showed that 18 percent of Swedish women consulted said they had been the victim of sexual violence, the same percentage as in the Netherlands, and slightly less than Denmark (19 percent).

But again, factors like cultural norms can also impact the data. The same study notes that "increased gender equality leads to higher levels of disclosure about violence against women", and that "it can be observed that Member States that are ranked highest in terms of gender equality tend also to have higher prevalence levels of violence against women". Sweden regularly places in the upper regions of gender equality rankings.

We know from all of the above that comparing rape statistics between countries is an error-prone process, but what about the other argument often put forward: that there has been a "dramatic rise in sexual crime" in Sweden caused by its intake of refugees?

Again, it doesn't ring true, and this time because the numbers don't add up. According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), the number of rapes reported annually in the country per 100,000 citizens has been relatively steady for almost a decade.

In 2016 there were 67 reported rapes per 100,000 people, 60 in 2015, 69 in 2014, 63 in 2013, 66 in 2012, 69 in 2011, 64 in 2010 and 2009, 59 in 2008 and 52 in 2007.

Those figures show there was actually a 12 percent dip in the number of rapes reported in Sweden in 2015 – the year the country received a record 163,000 asylum applications, at the peak of the refugee crisis. The figures for 2016 are preliminary.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:31:46  
Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-21 19:31:56  
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The point is, we as a society have decided that children under the age of 16/17/18 etc. are, generally, unable to fully understand the ramifications of sex and are therefore unable to legally consent to it. Does that mean we all think when someone turns 16/17/18, a magical fairy descends from the heavens, waves a magic wand, and grants them the ability to consent? No. Does that mean we all think that no 15-year-old is capable of consenting? No. But *we have to draw the line somewhere*. Laws have to apply to everyone equally, or else there is no point to having laws at all. We definitely don't want to say 6-year-olds can consent, but we don't want to say a normal, able-minded 32-year-old can't.

You obviously didn't watch the original video or even read the transcriptions. You just heard what the liberal media said and believed it all. Now your incapable of admitting it.

If you had actually done your homework then you'd know he's agreeing with you. He mentions that he believes current laws are about right and that there does need to be a line. You just stated the same thing he did. Guess that makes you a pedophile too.

He did make a point that consent is a bit murky and it's feasible that someone at a younger age could give consent. He then spoke about his own experiences, which is where he goes into his childhood experiences. He was speaking in a theoretical sense about a subject that's very sensitive to people.

But hey none of that mattered, he's part of the conservative political faction and a public figure to boot. That makes him not a human and all hands on deck to eliminate him using and and all methods available. The fact that he's gotten real child predators convicted doesn't matter, the fact that he publicly supports prosecution and going after child predators, totally irrelevant. He's not a member of The Faith, worse he criticizes the high priests of The Faith, and for those heinous crimes he must be punished by all good Progressive Ideologues.

I've said this for years, since the conservatives were looking for any reason to bash Obama, if your going to hate on someone then hate on something they actually did and not a fantasy version of them.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:32:55  
Can we keep the weird fetishes in the RT area ?
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:34:18  
Bad enough anime basically makes underage women sex objects but we contained that ***to one thread !
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-21 19:34:23  
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Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?

Progressives got caught making up stuff as "the truth", their faithful followers got caught not doing actual research and just believing whatever the headlines told them to believe. They were ordered to hate well and spread the hate, which they are now doing.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:40:24  
The truth is the Very facts I don't like Network ratings are way down.
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By Viciouss 2017-02-21 19:40:49  
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Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?

Looks like Saevel is having some kind of relapse.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-21 19:46:43  
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The truth is the Very facts I don't like Network ratings are way down.

The ratings go up every time he calls them that, much like how tweeting about Arnold having low ratings actually generates interest and ratings.

The failing NYT has had an uptick in subscriptions thanks to the reference.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:48:28  
CNN should just change to facts I don't like network I'll promised to watch at least 30 mins a day then.
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By fonewear 2017-02-21 19:49:18  
Embrace the fakeness Hollywood has. And they seem to be doing okay
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-21 19:53:28  
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Josiahkf said: »
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Anytime you get into the semantics of the umbrella and sub categories of pedo' as a defense, you've lost... only Catholic Church can get away with it.
there is a big difference between them.

One involves taking a natural teenage behavior we all went through with being attracted to other teenagers, and fails to grow in a normal healthy manner past that feeling into adulthood. So normal mental growth stagnates sexually.

The other is wholly unnatural behavior in which none of us experience that directly counters our design.

Donny please !
When I use terms like that, I'm referring to material I have read published by medical doctors about human behavior and sexual desires, not acted upon criminal activity from criminals themselves.

There is a difference when discussing the terms in the context of defining law, ethics and even philosophy (academic) but you get into murky waters when it starts to get used in the capacity of defending fetishes/erotic desires and or predatory behavior.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-21 20:05:09  
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Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?

Looks like Saevel is having some kind of relapse.
Naw, he is calling *** ***.

Unlike you, you call it a hamburger.
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By Viciouss 2017-02-21 20:12:37  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
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Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?

Looks like Saevel is having some kind of relapse.
Naw, he is calling *** ***.

Unlike you, you call it a hamburger.

Nah, he is just making ***up while calling everyone here that disagrees with him "animals" and "wild dogs." Its ok tho, its what Saevel always does, showing off that pathetic superiority complex while being full of ***.
Its funny how he runs to the defense of a guy that everyone on both sides of the aisle is running away from. Blame everyone except for the actual guy that was forced to resign and apologize for his deplorable comments.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-21 20:22:23  
Viciouss said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Viciouss said: »
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Am I missing something what the hell is going on here ?

Looks like Saevel is having some kind of relapse.
Naw, he is calling *** ***.

Unlike you, you call it a hamburger.

Nah, he is just making ***up while calling everyone here that disagrees with him "animals" and "wild dogs." Its ok tho, its what Saevel always does, showing off that pathetic superiority complex while being full of ***.
Its funny how he runs to the defense of a guy that everyone on both sides of the aisle is running away from. Blame everyone except for the actual guy that was forced to resign and apologize for his deplorable comments.
Picking out bits and pieces of his argument doesn't let you understand what he said. But then again, you are basing your opinion on this issue on limited, piecemeal information, so that doesn't surprise me one bit.

Funny how you never call Savael out on his ***, except to retort weakly to his statements. You never counter his arguments showing comprehensive and/or reasonable discussion. Actually, you never give a comprehensive or reasonable retort at all, just absolutist and snarky comments. Adorable!

At least with Savael, he backs up his opinions and assertions. You never do, and you infer that if we don't agree with you, we must be the savages not worthy of your notice.

In other words, you are a parrot for the DNC. No thought, all talk.
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