Random Politics & Religion #20

Not all feminists think that just 99% of them !

Don't think they'll be able to now, Trump and friends were very careful to abstain from any language that could be misinterpreted to be a violation of 1st or 5th amendment. That's how they justified the judicial block, the original text had language that could be interpreted to arbitrarily deny due process to those who've already obtained a Permanent Residency Card (green card). Also the language involving Christians could be interpreted to be infringing on 1st amendment religious freedom rights of potential immigrants. It was a very stretched lopsided interpretation of the wording and DHS botching the execution didn't help their case. The current travel ban doesn't mention religion and specifically excludes US citizens and LPR's and thus protects their due process.

There is no such thing as a "Universal Right to Immigrate to the USA".

You know you just confirmed his statement right?

Communications are two way, the computers in Russia were communicating with a computer in the USA and since the FBI can't exactly wiretap the communications in Russia there is only once place left to go.d

So yes they did wiretap Trump with regards to Russia and that tap returned jack ***, otherwise Clinton would of been spraying that ***within two hrs of it being found out. When Trump took a ***the DNC knew the smell, color, consistency and taste of it within minutes of it happening.

That's why Trumps using stuff like Twitter instead of regular press methods. If he prepared a statement for the press, the DNC would know exactly what he was going to say, when he was going to say it and would preempt him every time.

I covered that.

That is NOT a wiretap.

No, he tweets when he gets all headexplodey, and no one knows what sets him off.

Interesting bit of history I hadn't known about. And I have a degree in history.

The Great Town Hall Craze of 1816

The story of the first time Americans turned their backs on Congress—and what today’s GOP can learn from it.
Politico Magazine.

Oh it most certainly is, even if there is no phone being tapped. Any electronic communication is covered over wiretapping laws and regulations. It's the same with how "wire fraud" is used to cover all sorts of financial crimes, even if nobody is using a Teletype terminal anymore.


No you didn't, you dodged because it's a pretty big gaping hole in the "they weren't spying on him and he's just crazy" narrative. They were spying on him regarding the Russian situation and be extension anything found would of been immediately leaked to the media. There was no big last minute Russian scandal in October / November by the previous administration and now their just throwing ***at walls hoping to see if something sticks.

So somehow, the lack of evidence (i.e., there were no leaks during the election) is evidence of a wiretap. Fun stuff.

It's pretty obvious to anyone with a functioning brain and a decent set of logic skills that he doesn't have proof. If he did, as president, he would pull the evidence out to show the world. Not demand a congressional investigation.

Demanding a Congressional Investigation in this situation is the same as saying, "I have no proof of this claim. If there is proof, I want you to dig something up because I don't know where to look for it."

His strategy is child's play. He ain't fooling anybody but his sycophants.

This is one of the dumbest things said so far...

You know the federal government is required to keep records for a very long time. These records include FISA (that's the secret court for classified ***btw) documents. There is already FISA documents relating to the FBI and Trump, the failed attempts and the one that was granted. A granted FISA request means a secret warrant to do what the request was, in this case intercept and record all communications to those servers in Russia and their US connection, inside Trump Tower, owned by Donald Trump.

Now we can discuss weather it was warranted or politically driven all day, but that it happened is part of the official record.

I mean damn, Liberal Logic and all...

And yet, no evidence has been corroborated to support any of these "claims." Especially the part of it being "official record." No one has confirmed there was a FISA warrant, not the WH, not the FBI, not the DOJ, no one. We have not seen anything official from the government. So as of right now, its a made up story.

By your own logic, any illegal Trump and Russia connections are also made up stories?

The FISA warrants have been confirmed by multiple sources, many of which are anti-Trump.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/04/trump-wiretapping-fbi-warrent/

The left was using the FISA warrant as evidence that Trump was up to something nefarious and it blew up in their face.

Liberal Logic now dictates that they now forget that they used the FBI investigation (including the FISA warrants) to attack trump and play the victim card.

Trump was rather devious in how he went about this, now they liberals have to back pedal and toss the only leg they were standing on to smear him. They either say there was a legitimate FBI investigation (and therefor admit their involvement in it), or deny any connections to the FBI investigation (and therefor concede it's nothing but smoke and mirrors).

In what universe does a FISA warrant for serveilance not illustrate surveillance?

In order to execute that warrant they had to have monitored parts of his campaign.

Which story are you talking about now? The government confirmed Russian hacks? Or the government confirmed communications between the Trump campaign and Russia? I know you are just attempting to deflect from the actual topic, but still, be more specific.

By the way here is the investigation they are discussing

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0


Top bolded part is where the FISA warrant would come into play. You'll never see a FISA warrant until long after an investigation is closed because those things are Classified by their very nature. The reason a secret FISA court exists in the first place is that sometimes investigations need to happen without the possibility of tipping off the entities being investigated and any regular warrant process would be too public and might hand too much information to the wrong people. It's carefully skirting fourth and fifth amendment protections about due process and unlawful search's. Usually FISA court documents remain classified unless there is a public prosecution, in which case they are required to be declassified (some very special circumstances surround this).

It's just funny because several months ago they were declaring Trump a Russian spy because of this same FBI investigation. Now that he's won the election they have lost all recollection of such an investigation.

Daily reminder, the us government never confirmed the Russian's "hacked" the election.

Oh, and here's a list of previous wiretaps that the Obama administration did before.

Well, thanks for posting "sources" that completely exonerate Obama and implicates Trump's wrongdoing (and subsequent lying). Trump was anything but "devious."

The "left" had nothing to do with the Saevel annointed legitimate and ongoing FBI investigation, and still doesn't. The executive branch can't order the FBI to do anything kiddos. It has not and will not "blow up in their face" because its a completely legitimate investigation. Assuming for a second that the warrant that Trump refuses to release is real, how is this a bad thing for the left? Pretty much impossible.

Again, assuming its real, the FBI got a warrant, which means everything they have done is legal, probable cause has been established, somebody in the Trump campaign was misbehaving to the extent that a FISA court was convinced surveillance was warranted. So again, how is this anything but bad for Trump? Really curious.

Obama had nothing to do with the FBI investigation. And yet Trump accuses Obama of leading it, a lie that he can't back up, even though it is still an active investigation, is Obama still leading it? According to nausi-logic, he is laying on a beach directing the FBI. Thats a pretty impressive feat.

Trump was stupid enough to shine a brighter light on it and legitimize the-not-going-anywhere-anytime-soon Russian scandal. And yet his ignorant supporters are saying Yay!!! While the left is laughing at him, pretty much handed an easy win.

I mean damn he's the President and he can't manifest proof of his claim. Yet here you are sycophanting it up and typing nonsense on FFXI AH.., so diaphanous, fake mod of a fake site ;)

Troll attempt 1/10

Your not getting any better at this

Reading Trump's tweets

Vic is again missing the point.

It doesn't matter if the Obama admin did these FISA requests legally or not.

The matter at hand is IF he did them for political reasons. Which will literally remove watergate from the lexicon forever replacing it with obamagate.

Honestly though, we're halfway there as it is. Obama's got his remnants from the federal agencies leaking confidential information and aligning themselves with the MSM. Valerie Jarret's moving into his DC home. The left's not gonna have enough holes in the sand to hide their heads in.

Daily reminder: The President of the United States cannot obtain warrants from the FISA court, nor can they order the intel community or DOJ to seek them.

Weird cause Nixon was up for reelection while Obama was not. So motivation is going to be interesting to prove.

We got hours of footage of Trump publicly fellating Putin and Russia at his rallies even asking Russian hackers to hack the DNC and Hillary.

Very easy to establish a connection and motivation for collusion between Trump and Russia just off his own words.

Does the same exist with respect to Obama and Clinton to establish a connection and motivation for this allegation?

I'm sure you have vast knowledge of warrants but can you tell me why I should care ?