Random Politics & Religion #23 (Fake News)

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-11 09:15:07  
Nausi said: »
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Nausi said: »
Vic what has to happen in order for you to recognize your error in holding that opinion?

There are a few, very simple things Trump can do to get back into good graces with the Left.

1. Quit the presidency.
2. Apologize for everything he's ever done.
3. Pledge his undying loyalty to the liberal cause.
4. Give all of his money away. (Preferably to the Clintons, Obamas, and/or ISIS)

How hard could all that possibly be?

Somehow, the left thinks that if they just sit back and scream that narrative loud enough, the rest of the country will see just how out of touch Trump is.
To be honest, Trump is not a bastion of good moral sense.

Problem is, there isn't anyone in Washington (with the possible exception of Ryan) who could claim otherwise.
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:18:17  
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What else is there? Oh, right, nothing but a false document that our ex-FBI director relied so much on.
You know this how?
Every time someone is asked about evidence they are told there is none.
Who are the pronouns in this sentence?

Every time anybody asks anyone officially involved with the Russian investigation about it, those involved cannot produce any evidence of wrongdoing.

I seriously want to know a few things:

1) Does Pleebo actually think trump or his campaign colluded with "the russian government" to steal the election?

2) Does Pleebo actually think that whipping enough smoke around this nothing burger has any political benefit to Democrats in 18 or 20?

This is just a fundraising mechanism the left in employing to wring money out of it's most unhinged base. I don't know what the end game is, because no one cares about it except the media and the hard left they feed it to.

What's gonna happen when they run out of ketracel white?
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:19:50  
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making some shady moves
what shady moves?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-11 09:20:44  
You should know better to ask Pleebo any questions that require direct answers.

He will never answer them. And then cry when you call him out for it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-11 09:23:25  
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making some shady moves
what shady moves?
Breathing, obviously.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-11 09:24:10  
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Whether or not WE think its true or not doesn't change the fact that it needs to be investigated by someone has no bias.
Name somebody who is not biased.

Seriously.

Soo... "centrist" is someone who votes left, believes in the left cause's, regularly blames "those evil capitalists" for everything that is wrong with the world.

No wonder Trump Derangement Syndrome is so strong among the left, they actually think their moderates because Europeans are so much further left then they are, and we all know how great and Utopian Europe is right....
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-11 09:25:51  
Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Nausi said: »
Vic what has to happen in order for you to recognize your error in holding that opinion?

There are a few, very simple things Trump can do to get back into good graces with the Left.

1. Quit the presidency.
2. Apologize for everything he's ever done.
3. Pledge his undying loyalty to the liberal cause.
4. Give all of his money away. (Preferably to the Clintons, Obamas, and/or ISIS)

How hard could all that possibly be?

Somehow, the left thinks that if they just sit back and scream that narrative loud enough, the rest of the country will see just how out of touch Trump is.

To be honest that's worked with everything else they've done. Feminism, Black Lives Matter, Political Correctness, Thought Police, it's all just them screaming and shaming until people relent and do what their demanding.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-11 09:26:20  
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I don't attack Trump 24/7, I hold him accountable for his actions. Again I have even defended him when I felt the reasoning was misaligned.

Regardless

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Who has blind faith in him?


Notably, Nausi. Somewhat you and Rav.

Blind faith? Hardly. It sounds like another case of only seeing what you want to see.

If something turns up that proves Trump is guilty of a serious crime (and I mean actually guilty, not CNN/MSNBC/WaPo/etc. guilty) then I want to see him go down. Currently there is literally zero evidence that has been presented, and yet every freaking thing he does is reported as proof of a Russian connection because the MSM is devoid of all objective thought.

Trump colluding with the Russians would literally be a conspiracy, and everything that has been presented as evidence of that connection so far has been theory. By definition, this is all conspiracy theory. Me pointing that out is not blind faith.
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By eliroo 2017-05-11 09:32:42  
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Wait, how?

How are you seriously holding him accountable?

More like I judge him based on his actions. The american people should hold him accountable for his actions.

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I just don't like the derangement that's going on right now.

What derangement? Has history taught us naught? Most people here just want the investigation to go on without one of "Trumps men" in charge of it.

From your article, sums up my point:

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But I’m open to believing the worst-case scenario. So if the Senate wants to pressure the president or launch an independent investigation, I’m all for it. Separation of powers is a vital component of healthy governance.

I read the article and I don't disagree with it at all but I think his tangents about how hypocritical the democrats are is a red herring. We know they are but that doesn't mean we should be hypocritical either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-05-11 09:33:09  
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I don't know what the end game is

same as the bush years... distract, disrupt, delegitimize...
as far as running out of anything George Soros is funding it again and he is 86 so that won't be until whenever he keels over or runs out of money...he has 25 billion left in his settle old scores fund

soros dumps 1.4 million into philly da primary
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By eliroo 2017-05-11 09:33:35  
I like how I make a point and then you guys come circle jerk around my point while proving it.
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:33:47  
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I don't attack Trump 24/7, I hold him accountable for his actions. Again I have even defended him when I felt the reasoning was misaligned.

Regardless

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Who has blind faith in him?


Notably, Nausi. Somewhat you and Rav.
I don't have BLIND faith in him, but I make no claims to not support him.

Honestly he's the wrecking ball Washington has deserved for longer than my existence. The fact that there are so many entrenched members of the media and the government fighting him tooth and nail is proof positive that voting for him was the right choice.

These media and federal government agents have done virtually nothing of value for me and my family personally throughout my entire life, and the value they provide to society is far outweighed by the wealth they have stolen from all of us (and our children and our children's children). They are not your friends, they are not looking out for you, and they do not care about you.

They do not restrain themselves by any particular set of rules, they think nothing of breaking laws that get in their way. Taking the highroad in this fight against them has long since become pointless.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-11 09:35:54  
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Trump isn’t very good at being president.


Should amend that to be Trump isn't very good at being a politician. Which is precisely the reason he resonated with so many middle and lower class voters which got him elected President. The American citizens are tired of smooth talking politically suave photogenic politicians that talk a lot about working for the American people but are 100% slaves of their parties power structure which are closely connected to European powers.

That I think is the lefts biggest beef with Trump, he's not part of their sports club, not part of the rival sports club, not even part of the same damn sport. He doesn't care what their rules are, doesn't care that he's breaking them on a daily basis, and doesn't care that their going to scream at him for breaking them. He's the Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack. There is nothing Trump could do that would make the liberals happy, so why bother trying to appease them?
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:38:13  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Whether or not WE think its true or not doesn't change the fact that it needs to be investigated by someone has no bias.
Name somebody who is not biased.

Seriously.

Soo... "centrist" is someone who votes left, believes in the left cause's, regularly blames "those evil capitalists" for everything that is wrong with the world.

No wonder Trump Derangement Syndrome is so strong among the left, they actually think their moderates because Europeans are so much further left then they are, and we all know how great and Utopian Europe is right....
The belief that centrisism is not actually leftism is just a side effect of the media bubble.
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:38:29  
Let's be honest liberals were never happy to begin with always fighting some cause racism sexism etc.
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:39:10  
Just stop caring and become a Republican give in the the dark side.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-05-11 09:39:53  
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I like how I make a point and then you guys come circle jerk around my point while proving it.

really?...how far back is your point? I've got some free time....
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:41:05  
That is why I'm a Republican I always root for the serial killer to get away with it...one of these day he will win I just got to keep hope.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-11 09:41:26  
Clearly we're all terrible people for not crucifying Trump for something nobody can prove he did. What we need is sensationalist media evidence leading to mob mentality judgments in the court of public opinion. Blindly following the herd is the only true way to demonstrate that you don't blindly follow the president.
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:43:24  
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
eliroo said: »
I like how I make a point and then you guys come circle jerk around my point while proving it.

really?...how far back is your point? I've got some free time....

It all began with a stone...
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:44:10  
See FFXI actually is about Trump and how he cursed FFXI.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-11 09:46:59  
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Most people here just want the investigation to go on without one of "Trumps men" in charge of it.
You just said that you wanted an independent, unbiased investigation to happen.

If you think having one of "Trump's men" handling the investigation is bad, do you honestly think having one of "Schumer's men" handling the investigation to be any better?

Especially since the only evidence they have is a fake dossier. One so obviously falsified that it should have been thrown out a long time ago.

This investigation needs to end, because nothing is going to come out of it, and having it last any longer than 1 minute for now just legitimizes the "resistance" that is being portrayed by the left.
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:47:45  
And of all of Trump's men couldn't put Trump back together again. So he build the wall to Mexico they say. And can't put Trumpty back together again !

That's how the story goes right ?
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:48:32  
The formula here is:

1) Trump does something.

2) Media creates the narrative they want to push.

3) Media offers nothing but rumor to support it.

Turn up the volume enough on that and maybe we're certain to win in 18!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-05-11 09:52:33  
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3) Media offers nothing but rumor to support it.

That's not true. They have unnamed "sources" and "experts" that conveniently always agree with them.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-05-11 09:55:07  
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3) Media offers nothing but rumor to support it.

That's not true. They have unnamed "sources" and "experts" that conveniently always agree with them.
Don't forget the polls that clearly state that Trump is the worst president since William Henry Harrison, even though the only question on the poll was "Do you like pie?"
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By fonewear 2017-05-11 09:58:16  
I bet even Honest Abe was evil probably didn't recycle or something. So we have a long history of evil Republicans.
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 09:59:29  
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3) Media offers nothing but rumor to support it.

That's not true. They have unnamed "sources" and "experts" that conveniently always agree with them.

Libs see this and honestly think people normal people cannot see through it.

They aren't turning anyone against Trump, it's just one big circle jerk. Faith in established media is at all time lows.

Trump really needs to start pushing reforms in the telecom industry so that these networks start having to face market consequences for their coverage.

When you have to pay for every network in order to get the one you want, CNN is free to make up whatever ***it wants.
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By Nausi 2017-05-11 10:00:06  
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3) Media offers nothing but rumor to support it.

That's not true. They have unnamed "sources" and "experts" that conveniently always agree with them.
Don't forget the polls that clearly state that Trump is the worst president since William Henry Harrison, even though the only question on the poll was "Do you like pie?"
Yet the same polls show huge support for his policies.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-05-11 10:03:37  
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Clearly we're all terrible people for not crucifying Trump for something nobody can prove he did. What we need is sensationalist media evidence leading to mob mentality judgments in the court of public opinion. Blindly following the herd is the only true way to demonstrate that you don't blindly follow the president.

You don't need evidence in their Socialist Utopia. Requirement for evidence is just male primacy enforcing the patriarchy and oppressing their diverse-orientated gender-inclusive race-sensitive persons. Feelings are what matter and Trump is making them feel scared and insecure and thus is guilty of high treason and should immediately be removed from power and replaced with someone that makes them feel secure.

Damn it's getting harder and harder to be satirical without crossing into the obscene. This ***is actually how those who identify with the left work mentally.
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