Random Politics & Religion #24

God you have such a crystal clear memory when it comes to pulling up posts about how people disagree with you but not when they agree with you. Of course I know what it was. The biggest application was him putting limits on congressional terms and creating a "black out" period for congressional members to lobby for foreign interests.

Also doesn't seem like he got far with that : http://www.npr.org/2017/04/26/525551816/trumps-efforts-to-drain-the-swamp-lagging-behind-his-campaign-rhetoric

That is aside the point.

Why not take a trek through my post history and find all the times I supported Trump BECAUSE he was the better option than Hillary.

Furthermore this issue with Winner isn't necessarily an administration issue but rather a light in a relatively dark place that you still refuse to acknowledge.

I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore because you are going in circles. Feels like you are yelling, just to yell and establish dominance. No one is signing this issue off with Winner as fact nor are they saying immediate action needs to happen from it. We are taking it as it is.

Ok, so you admit that you have no idea what it means. Got it.

Which is, what again? That the federal government is corrupt as hell? I thought I already stated as such. How can I refuse to acknowledge when I keep repeating what I just said?

This, my friends, is what is called "projection."

See, eliroo is projecting his own style of debating against another (in this case, me) demeaning such behavior, with or without realizing that it is he who is doing such behavior.

Also, calling it now, another misuse of a logical fallacy to come from eliroo.

Edit: #MakeEditsGreatAgain

Read your own links.

Here is the article about what was leaked. Actually even I was wrong this report indicates that the GRU set out the cyber attack and the wording of the report is extremely confident that it was done. It is not confident about whether it was successful or effected the election.

But it is OK, in your delusional world your initial thoughts are always right and can't be questioned. If you are wondering, that was an ad hominem.


Please, get your glasses, where did I defend her?


All I said that if her leak provided insight on government corruption then she should be considered a whistle blower and have some form of protection, not that she should now.


Yes because the chain of command is the right place to take evidence that could implicate them. If you did have information about our governments out right corruption, the media is the best place to take it because the people will hold our government accountable(Theoretically the people are the chain of command but that may be too hard for you to grasp).

I swear you are like an elevator that will never reach the top floor. I literally linked you an article that listed all the things I said, which are the same things Trump said when referencing how he would Drain the Swamp. He even had a promise that said those exact things on his webpage and mentioning draining the swamp there.

Not even going to bother responding to the rest of the garbage you posted.

It's like someone pissed in somebody's cheerios this morning.
I suspect it was Fone.

I blame fone too. He made the ambuscade wait too long so I didn't get to bad until late.

So, wait, are you saying that it wasn't until May (when the intelligence report in question was issued) that these "intelligence" agencies figured out that Russians attacked voting machines (or, in Vic's case, "election software") when the rest of the nation knew that in January? Hell, the article I linked showed what we knew and when.

But hey, if you want to continue with the defense that our intelligence agencies are that stupid, by all means, go for it.

A little over an hour ago


In case you haven't figured it out yet, you tried to justify her actions. You even did it again less than an hour ago.

Seriously, do you even defend your own statements?

My mistake was to forget that whistleblower laws only effect private business, not government.

She still broke the law by releasing top secret classified material. She doesn't have the authority to do so.

But please, keep defending the actions of a criminal. It's always fun to watch.

From NPR? You do realize that "article" is 100% opinion, and 0% fact.

Hell, the link I showed even stated that Trump's goal was to make government honest again. You know, honesty is the antithesis of corruption.....

Ok Flavin.

Literally read what you quoted. Read the last few words. I know its hard and I know it may skew your narrative about what I said, but try. You can do it. I believe.


Who is the "we" here? The people or our Intelligence agencies? Because this is the first time that the general populace has some absurdness that there was an attempt. Before we have speculation.


The Articles links the Intercept articles that discusses what was mentioned in the leak and that is what I was referencing not the opinion pieces. Reading sources helps though. Aren't you the one that always goes on about that?


If the rest of your posted wasn't a lame attempt at a an ad hominem, I wouldn't have ignored it.

Don't ask how this happened

absurdness - has been assured*

Do you ignore your own posts then?

I have a filter that anything related to Russia I ignore. So about 90% of the posts.

I admit my ad hominems, nor do I expect a reply to them.

So we wake up the next morning still knowing the Russians hacked into the election software last year and that someone is going to jail for leaking it. Anything else?

The general public who receives information.

Great opening for an ad hominem attack though. I mean, it was pretty obvious.

Again, you don't even read the links I provide. But yet, you profess knowledge (or knowledge enough to respond to) in such subjects.

Go home eliroo, you're drunk.

You keep proving that you don't know what Trump meant by shouting "drain the swamp" and you keep going roundabout in your own defense.

I'm starting to get dizzy by all of the circling that you are doing. It's like watching a Simpson's gif.

/lights the fonewear signal.

You don't like Trump there I summed up all your arguments.

Still sticking to the whole "Russia hacked into voting systems" story?

Got any proof? Or are you just talking out of your *** again?

Let me put it to you this way Vic.

You committed wire fraud, a federal crime, but I do not need evidence to convict you of this crime, according to your own assertions.

Should I notify the FBI, or do you need a couple of hours to gather your stuff to get out of the country?

"Hacked the election" is going to go down as the BIGGEST example of goalpost shifting in history.

From "Russia changed vote totals". To "someone in Russia made a phone call".

Probably a bit more nuanced than that.

If I was forced to vote this past election, I would have voted for Trump. I definitely don't think he is doing the best job and I think that he has contradicted himself several times. In general, I don't like many politicians. I think that Clinton would have been more corrupt and a lot less apparent and that scares me a lot more than Trump who is great at contradicting himself and admitting his corruption.


That wasn't even an ad hominem, nor do I see how you would think it was. It was a legitmate question. You are saying "we" knew about it and then referenced the intelligence agencies where I was talking about the general populace. I'm lost at your conclusion here.


I straight up cited the article you linked to disprove your statement. Maybe you didn't read what you posted?


From left field, already disproved this point. So either you have no idea what he meant or you are just arguing a moot point to "win".

You can even got back to my post history about being optimistic when he mentioned how he would drain the swamp.



Russia is an interesting topic. The far left want to treat them as enemies and the far right used to call people russians to insult them. I'm not sure what I think about them. If the government did try to influence our election then that would help formulate my opinion. I think that pre-election the left used them as a scare tactic to steer people away from the right. Really weird how the tables turned there. My recent post history my contradict that a bit, but only because there is a bit more building in regards to that and the truth is something we should aim for. Before I have expressed my resentment to the russian topic, especially during pre-election.

Not editing all of this enjoy the errors >_>

So, nothing new from KN. Like I said, he would spin his wheels.

In other news, Trump with another twitter tantrum this morning, talking about those Middle East cutting ties with Qatar and how its going to help end terrorism. Problem here, the United States hasn't cut ties with Qatar, in fact, we still have a huge base there. Thats gonna be awkward.

Nothing is awkward for the cheeto.

I see Trump derangement syndrome still has no effective treatment as of yet.

I like KN, Nausi and Rav blame us for drawing conclusions about an article but they are the ones that draw conclusions from our reactions.

No, I mean that you gave a great opening.

I mean, I could have said the following:


I just didn't want to make an attempt at an obvious ad hominem attack, that's all.

The NPR opinion piece? Yeah, I read it. It was very flawed, trying to take Trump's words literally instead of figuratively.

Hell, my own source did the same, but at least they admitted that Trump's meaning was "honest government" not "destruction of local ecosystems."

You alluded that "drain the swamp" refers to Congress. It doesn't. It refers to government. Congress does the federal government not entirely compromise. You are only looking at 1 of the 3 branches.

It's in your own, very words.

Forgive the child, he doesn't know yet. Non-facts I don't like hasn't reported on that fact yet.

Contradict yourself much?

Oh, I keep forgetting.

To Vic, the United States of America covers the entire world, including the Middle East.

Just more details:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/06/05/russians-hacked-illinois-election-database-report/

I'm sure his staff immediately started working those phone lines. I would feel bad for them but nah.