Random Politics & Religion #28: The Last One

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-04 11:53:43  
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Charge your gd battery, Canadian!

Gawd, you aren't helping your country's image that way!
I'm working 3 16-hour days in a row shush, my phone is going to be stuck at 10% for most of it.
I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-10-04 12:06:01  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Charge your gd battery, Canadian!

Gawd, you aren't helping your country's image that way!
I'm working 3 16-hour days in a row shush, my phone is going to be stuck at 10% for most of it.

Is there no place to charge your phone at your moose-watching post?
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-04 12:07:35  
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I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-04 12:11:43  
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I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...
 
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-04 12:14:17  
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I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...
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By Nausi 2017-10-04 12:15:15  
Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

Also some lefties are planting the seed that he was trying to shoot up a rap concert instead but coukdnt get the room he wanted. (So he was a racist conservative after all)
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-04 12:17:46  
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Ramyrez said: »
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I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...

No thanks. I'm a classicist.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-04 12:19:45  
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Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

Which means there's still potentially someone complicit is still out there. Your snide glee in this is...disturbing.

Or he was making a contingency for having his wife with him if he couldn't get her away.

His planning certainly seems deep, wouldn't put it past him to have multiple contingencies.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-04 12:21:23  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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I know that Canada is backwards in many ways, but there's this neat little technology that you can use that prevents you from running out of power so much...

No thanks. I'm a classicist.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-04 12:23:31  
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By Zerowone 2017-10-04 12:26:26  
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By Viciouss 2017-10-04 12:26:51  
So, was finally able to get solid confirmation that I did have a high school friend working at the concert as a limo driver, and he did in fact take a round in the shoulder. Was in surgery for 3 hours, tore right through his rotator cuff and severed a lot of ligaments and what not. Nobody could get through to his family because his only living relative is locked up somewhere, so it was hard to get a reliable report. But he is expected to fully recover.
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By Ramyrez 2017-10-04 12:28:27  
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That was a ruff assessment.
I wouldn't call his post, "gleeful."

Yeah. Nausi is never happy when he gets to try to blame someone he dislikes for something or somehow prove them wrong...even if it hurts him too.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-04 12:30:36  
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So, was finally able to get solid confirmation that I did have a high school friend working at the concert as a limo driver, and he did in fact take a round in the shoulder. Was in surgery for 3 hours, tore right through his rotator cuff and severed a lot of ligaments and what not. Nobody could get through to his family because his only living relative is locked up somewhere, so it was hard to get a reliable report. But he is expected to fully recover.
That's good.

Most of the time people who get hit like that wouldn't fully recover. If he get's at least 80% of the movement back, he should consider himself lucky.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-04 12:32:36  
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Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

i would think that's because he rented two rooms
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By Viciouss 2017-10-04 12:32:55  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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So, was finally able to get solid confirmation that I did have a high school friend working at the concert as a limo driver, and he did in fact take a round in the shoulder. Was in surgery for 3 hours, tore right through his rotator cuff and severed a lot of ligaments and what not. Nobody could get through to his family because his only living relative is locked up somewhere, so it was hard to get a reliable report. But he is expected to fully recover.
That's good.

Most of the time people who get hit like that wouldn't fully recover. If he get's at least 80% of the movement back, he should consider himself lucky.

Well, he is out of surgery and expected to live. I would guess his tennis career is over.
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By Viciouss 2017-10-04 12:33:59  
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Nausi said: »
Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

i would think that's because he rented two rooms

With nausi I wouldn't even believe its true until its credibly reported.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-04 12:38:21  
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Nausi said: »
Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

i would think that's because he rented two rooms

With nausi I wouldn't even believe its true until its credibly reported.
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Shiva.Shruiken said: »
Nausi said: »
Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

i would think that's because he rented two rooms

With nausi I wouldn't even believe its true until its credibly reported.



Just about sums it up.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-04 12:46:50  
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is that Stephen Curry!

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By Nausi 2017-10-04 12:47:46  
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Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

Which means there's still potentially someone complicit is still out there. Your snide glee in this is...disturbing.

Or he was making a contingency for having his wife with him if he couldn't get her away.

His planning certainly seems deep, wouldn't put it past him to have multiple contingencies.
What snide glee? Regarding the guest this is all in your perception.
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By Nausi 2017-10-04 12:51:54  
The shooting is no joke, but the leftist overreaction to it and to trump is.

Zomg you cant throw people goods and supplies!!!! This inst a game show Drumpf!!!!

Its like every liberal i know has only one setting and its tweek from southpark.
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By Zerowone 2017-10-04 12:55:20  
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-10-04 12:55:40  
Since I haven't done one in a while.

Don't blame the gun lobby, blame the gun man for mass shootings

Sources are bad, unless they blame Trump for stubbing your toe this morning.

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It is human nature to try to make sense out of even the most senseless acts of violence. That is certainly the case with the Las Vegas shooting spree. In the wake of the massacre, politicians rushed forward to give meaning to the tragedy, other than the raging madness of Stephen Paddock. Various reforms have been proposed, from new licensing laws to limiting the number of guns a person can own, to banning military-style weapons or silencers or high-capacity ammunition clips. There are some changes worth considering, but Congress will need to show they are more than simply sensible or rational. The strict scrutiny test customarily applied to an individual right demands more than blaming the gun or the gun lobby as opposed to the gun man.

In District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court in 2008 ruled the right to bear arms is an individual right. Two years later, in McDonald v. City of Chicago, the court ruled that this right applied against the states. Since then, courts have rejected efforts to limit aspects of gun ownership from barring concealed weapons to restricting ammunition. Last July, in Wrenn v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Circuit struck down a requirement that gun owners show “good reason” for a concealed carry permit as unconstitutional.


When legislating within a constitutional framework, Congress must meet a higher standard in the curtailment of an individual right, usually a showing of a narrowly tailored law advancing a compelling state interest. The Supreme Court stated in Heller, “If all that was required to overcome the right to keep and bear arms was a rational basis, the Second Amendment would be redundant with the separate constitutional prohibitions on irrational laws, and would have no effect.”
Some of the proposals seem still based on pre-Heller rational basis logic. For example, Hillary Clinton oddly responded to the attack with a tweets denouncing the NRA and raising the issue of silencers, which appear the only thing not found in Paddock’s arsenal of weapons, ammunition and explosives. After first telling people to “put politics aside,” Clinton denounced the gun lobby and observed that the “crowd fled at the sound of gunshots. Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.”

It is not hard to imagine the use of a silencer but it is hard to imagine a different outcome in Las Vegas. The gun may be silent, but the victims are not. While a person may not actually hear or recognize the gunshots, that person would certainly see dozens of people being hit and a crowd stampeding. It is ridiculous to think that Paddock could shoot a dozen people with a silencer, but people take little notice of the falling bodies or stampeding people around them.

Other proposals are constitutionally problematic like banning weapons like the AR-15 used by Paddock. Beyond its military look, the distinction between the AR-15 and hunting rifles can be difficult to discern. “AR” does not stand for either “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.” It stands for Armalite, the company that manufactures the rifles. It is used in hunting as well as shooting competitions. It is popular because it is modular and allows for different grips and barrels. More importantly, it has a lower caliber than hunting rifles like the 30-06 Springfield. Those types of comparisons make weapons bans more difficult under a heightened or strict scrutiny standard.

However, timing can be everything. The Supreme Court currently has a petition pending in one of the few successful cases involving a ban on assault rifles. The case, Kolbe v. Hogan, involves Maryland’s 2013 ban on assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition magazines, which was upheld in a 10-4 decision by the Fourth Circuit in Richmond, Virginia. Twenty-one states have joined gun owners in asking the Supreme Court to reverse the Fourth Circuit and rule the ban as unconstitutional.

Cases like Kolbe could help define the outer limits of gun ownership after Heller. The Court recognized that the Second Amendment right is not absolute, any more than free speech or other rights in the Bill of Rights. One such limitation that predated Heller is the ban on that ownership of fully automatic weapons sold after 1986. Such machine guns are unlawful absent special licensing (though hundreds of thousands were “grandfathered” in by the law and can still be owned and sold in the United States). It is also illegal to convert a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon.

While limiting the number of guns is dubious under constitutional analysis, some background checks could pass constitutional muster. Challengers would likely point out that Paddock passed background conditions and would likely have satisfied any additional requirements. Nevertheless, polls show overwhelming support for background checks, including some showing support at over 90 percent. There are some loopholes or “workarounds” that could be addressed. For example, it remains legal to sell conversion kits to turn a semi-automatic into an automatic weapon.

Congress could easily close that loophole by limiting such kits to only approved and licensed owners. Congress could also address “bump stocks,” a device that Paddock reportedly used to allow at least one semi-automatic weapon to function like an automatic weapon. Since it does not actually convert the weapon, it is considered legal. Once again, however, even without a bump stock Paddock could have maintained nearly the same rate of fire with rapid trigger pulls for that critical nine minutes.

While Congress does not have to show that a new law would have changed the outcome in Las Vegas, it does have to show that limiting an individual right under the Bill of Rights is more than simply a rational response to an irrational act of violence.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2017-10-04 13:00:32  
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Sources are bad, unless they blame Trump for stubbing your toe this morning.

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By Ramyrez 2017-10-04 13:00:59  
Nausi said: »
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Uh oh, looks like he had a second guest marked down on his receipt.

Which means there's still potentially someone complicit is still out there. Your snide glee in this is...disturbing.

Or he was making a contingency for having his wife with him if he couldn't get her away.

His planning certainly seems deep, wouldn't put it past him to have multiple contingencies.
What snide glee? Regarding the guest this is all in your perception.

Yes, I'm sure your cutsie "uh oh" to start the statement wasn't meant to be cheeky.

The worst part of the 4chan and t_d crew is they seem to think they invented sarcasm and plausible deniability of speech.

"Oh, I really meant this. You just read into it wrong."

Get the *** out of here with that.
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