Random Politics & Religion #28: The Last One

Words have meaning while I'll be damned. I thought they didn't have meanings.

K.

In case you want a flawed assessment of the why (disclaimer: this article is too funny to be true. The assertion makes it almost like an Onion article)

You know, a couple of sources that proves Savael right (again).

..you do realize that our military is completely voluntary now, right? These are citizens trained for war.

Do you honestly think the US military is going to turn on the citizens of the US?

I specifically that that many -- if not most all -- would not follow such orders...

Unless the government is comprised of catwomen, there is no way in hell I would follow it to commit serious acts against humanity.

Which is what I'm saying. I hope and suspect the vast majority of soldiers wouldn't "just follow orders" in such a scenario. It's fundamentally against everything our nation stands for.

And where are these catwomen you speak of ?

Polls are always right? People don't say they would vote 1 way then switch sides in the privacy of the voting station? Opinions tend to change depending on who the person is talking to when both sides demonize each other to the extent they do in the US.


Do you? If you do, then lol. If you don't then why do you need guns again?

Those citizens without the propper tools for the job? K.


The point being made is that it would never happen, but even if it did, armed civilians would not help the situation. Chances are it would make it worse, so people should stop using it as an argument for holding on to their guns. Make an argument based on reality.

/lights the Ravael signal.

Then you prove that the military voted more for Clinton than Trump, even though voting records are (in most states) confidential, even among the military.

It is a well known fact that the military lean more towards Republicans than they do Democrats in recent years. But since you ask for sources, here's another one that signifies the obvious.

Do I think that the US military will turn against their neighbors, friends, and family in favor of the US government? No.

Question is, do you?

Me personally or in general?

Now let me ask you: Are you a US citizen?

It's hard to say since the whole purpose of boot camp is to break down the solider to their fundamentals and build them up as the military sees fit.

You or I can't prove it either way, so don't use it as an argument.

No, which is why I don't think arming civilians so they can fight against an oppressive government is a valid argument to use.

How is that relevant? I'm not allowed to point out flawed logic unless I'm an American citizen?

Savael stated a well-known fact. You ask for sources, I provided (at the time) 2 of them for you, you denied it because you think that a significant number of people who stated that they will vote one way would change it at the voting booth (while it's true that Trump voters didn't declare that they were Trump voters when polled, they didn't declare that they were Clinton voters either, which is why the hidden majority that Trump saw, but pollsters missed, came out for Election Day).

I can't help it if you deny well-known facts.

It's not, but it's not the main argument people used. It's a sub-argument, one that was the real reason why the 2nd Amendment was made, but became irrelevant in later years.

If you have no idea about American culture, then you wouldn't understand American culture. Guns in the US are purchased/used for 2 main purposes: Hunting and recreational. Recreational meaning either collecting (for either future value or just to collect) or recreational use (aka going to the firing range and unload a few rounds).

Since it seems highly likely that you are not a US citizen, it's fair to say that you don't understand either of these purposes. Especially if all you understand about American Culture is what is portrayed by Hollywood and Mainstream Media, which get's what real America is completely and fully wrong 99% of the time.

Which also explains Trump and the current Derangement Syndrome you see from Hollywood and MSM.

I know a lot of vets and current service members.

None of them have "changed team" so to speak because of their training or service.

And on the "voting" side of this argument, my friends are about 50/50 left/right in the military. Though of those the Army guys are almost universally pretty conservative where the Navy and Air Force guys are where all the liberals are. The Marines in my family don't really give a ***about politics, they just don't want to be assed with it.

Again, it's hard to say.

The common perception is that the majority of the military are conservative-leaning. Since there are no actual data other than polling to use, but such polling has a 95% confidence rate (usually), it's safe to say that the polling is correct.

/relights the Ravael signal.

Is this thing on?

There's no such thing as a confidence rate lol

confidence interval.

Even I would have expected you to understand that Pleebo. But then again, you are you. Sometimes, I'm surprised you are able to breath and walk at the same time, going by your posts here.

CIs have nothing to do with a poll being "correct".

So, why have the polls? Why even try to make it with such a high confidence interval then?

I mean, it's pretty obvious to the rest of us, but let's hear it from you.

See you in 5 weeks.

It wasn't a personal attack, it was an observation.

It's an estimate of how well the poll results describe the data. Correctness is more a matter of methodology. In your linked example, the methodology was self-described as inadequate so it's not really a result worth considering.

Fine, you don't agree with one of the polls because, even though it's consistent with the other set of polls I sourced, and even though they admit that it's not a perfect representation (surprise! It wasn't meant to be. But the FiveThirtyEight polling does a better job, and it states basically the same thing. I guess you are going to gloss over that one, huh?), but it doesn't really matter anyway.

Are you denying reality again? Are you saying that the military isn't Republican-leaning?

A fact is usually backed up by solid proof, not opinions and feelings. You didn't show any fact based data, so stop making up "facts" and call it what it is, a feeling.


Fair but wrong, I grew up in Scotland hunting deer and geese (not much else to hunt here). I fully understand those purposes and I'm not against them if correctly licensed and controlled.

Enough banging my head against a brick wall though. HF!

Now go lookup how large, manpower wise, each of those services is. Here is a hint, the Army dwarfs all the other services in size by a gigantic margin, especially if NG and AR are taken into account.

Let me tell you why there is such a large amount of conservatives in the military, it has to do with the strange and alien concept (to the left) of patriotism. The US Military is an volunteer only force, meaning people must choose to join. The pay is ***, the benefits are pretty good for family but ***for the soldier. There is a "pension" but you are required to sacrifice your best years and your bodies health in order to earn it. The only two reasons left to join are college money and because you actually love your country. Guess sort of people leave after 4~6 years and which sort stay 10+?

So yeah liberals burning flags and doing other disrespectful things doesn't exactly appeal to people in the military who are asked to sacrifice their health for that flag.

That ***was funny, KN nailed it.



Funny that non-Americans are experts on American culture and politics.

And yeah dude is a liberal, exactly as I said earlier.

I never said anything about political leaning of the military.

Well, it is a fact that the military votes. It is also a fact that greater than 50% of the military are or identify as Republican (voting registration polls indicate this, and that's public information). So, is that proof enough, or are you still going to deny it?

Two questions then:

1) Do you think that the US doesn't license people regarding firearms and firearm sales?
2) Do you know about how popular hunting and recreational use of guns are in the US?

I'm pretty sure you will get both answers wrong. Going by your very limited information regarding the US, that is.

Ah, so basically you inserted yourself just to nitpick.

Well, that's really par-for-the-course in your posting habits. You offer little observation and a lot of snark. But then again, most people here do so too (I'm all for snarkiness).