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 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-03-04 04:57:42  
Very happy about the new zone, altough I wonder why an _S zone, it's not exactly the fastest zone to get to if you're in a hurry for CP/EP, but then again it's not really an issue.

I'm more concerned with the fact these Apex will be lower level.
Which likely implies less EP than the ones in Promys and Alzadaal.
On one hand I could say that's good for people with worse gear but... if the ones in Promy and Alzadaal were too high level you already had a lower level options: the previously existing Apexes in Dho Gates, Mho Gates, etc etc.

So I mean... I dunno I'm very happy about this but a bit puzzled about their choice of making these monsters lower level.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-04 06:02:46  
Asura.Sechs said: »
it's not exactly the fastest zone to get to if you're in a hurry for CP/EP, but then again it's not really an issue.

You can teleport directly there I think? Using npc teleport?
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By Bismarck.Xurion 2022-03-04 06:04:25  
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
it's not exactly the fastest zone to get to if you're in a hurry for CP/EP, but then again it's not really an issue.

You can teleport directly there I think? Using npc teleport?
Book warp as well as Campaign NPC warp.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-04 06:10:31  
And VW warp

Asura.Sechs said: »
Very happy about the new zone, altough I wonder why an _S zone, it's not exactly the fastest zone to get to if you're in a hurry for CP/EP, but then again it's not really an issue.

I'm more concerned with the fact these Apex will be lower level.
Which likely implies less EP than the ones in Promys and Alzadaal.
On one hand I could say that's good for people with worse gear but... if the ones in Promy and Alzadaal were too high level you already had a lower level options: the previously existing Apexes in Dho Gates, Mho Gates, etc etc.

So I mean... I dunno I'm very happy about this but a bit puzzled about their choice of making these monsters lower level.

It's options dood. There is a lack of options. More "lesser" camps are unappealing to sellers. And they don't want the sellers gone... so...
 
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-03-04 06:34:48  
Yeah, that would be nice I guess.
I mean it's gonna be good regardless, period.

But I was honestly hoping for stuff that gives more EP/hr.
Then again the ML cap is staying at 30 for this month sooo no big deal.
But once they start rolling out ML40 they need to think about something, especially for people who need to catch up.


The situation isn't as bad as the JP one was at start honestly (where the grind was immense and 99% of people simply ignored them), it's okaysh, but I still get the feeling that a good amount of people simply aren't bothering at all with ML atm.
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By Odin.Lusiphur 2022-03-04 06:42:49  
Siren.Bruno said: »
previously they said we were getting camps in Crawlers' Nest [S], but I don't believe they mentioned this bit. looks like we're getting this whole part of the map, which is currently unreachable in [S]

They mentioned it on their last Japanese livestream, so we've known it for a couple of weeks now. Glad there's more options. Hope there's multiple mob types and lots of them. Hope all of it links to make things more difficult for automated parties/RMT.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-04 06:43:36  
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lesser could mean on par with inner rak, which isn't terrible.

Exactly and Inner Rak is very limited. Not enough Dogs and bats, Skeletons are only for blunt DDs and light(?) (or I guess someone with active WHM banishing everything). Bhoots, Umbrils and Corpselights are annoying.

In crawler's nest we should get some much better families like Flies, Crawlers, Beetles, Funguars and a little worse Scorpions. I'm looking forward to level BST there for example. Not much mid-high Apex camps where you can use Killer Instinct.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2022-03-04 07:08:43  
Odin.Lusiphur said: »
Siren.Bruno said: »
previously they said we were getting camps in Crawlers' Nest [S], but I don't believe they mentioned this bit. looks like we're getting this whole part of the map, which is currently unreachable in [S]

They mentioned it on their last Japanese livestream, so we've known it for a couple of weeks now. Glad there's more options. Hope there's multiple mob types and lots of them. Hope all of it links to make things more difficult for automated parties/RMT.

Linking is good for bots. It means less pulling. What you want is things that aggro magic. The sam is indestructible no matter how many thousand mobs they link, but the geo and whm are very much not.
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By IGDC 2022-03-04 08:04:21  
It will be botted on day 1.
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By Draylo 2022-03-04 09:06:30  
Add a mob that patrols and detects if a person has been idle or 0 keystrokes after x amount of time, then he casts death on them.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-03-04 09:10:37  
Draylo said: »
Add a mob that patrols and detects if a person has been idle or 0 keystrokes after x amount of time, then he casts death on them.

mandatory retina scan with server side image processing to ensure targeting order matches eye movement or it's not doing anything to me
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By Asura.Topace 2022-03-04 10:15:08  
As long as they don't wipe shadows its a win for me.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-03-04 10:15:59  
Death goes through shadows, no?
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By Asura.Topace 2022-03-04 10:26:53  
I'm talking about the new apex mobs not whatever anti bot nonsense.
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By Odin.Lusiphur 2022-03-04 15:36:56  
Asura.Topace said: »
As long as they don't wipe shadows its a win for me.

Crawlers, flies, funguars, lizards, and scorpions all have AoE/conal moves that can wipe shadows. Maybe there will be bees or beetles?

Hoping for a variety and LOL @ invincible SAMs.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2022-03-04 16:24:04  
Damn yo... SE is really hooking us up with these updates after making killer bank on the veterans who needed mog wardrobes.

I'm really getting my 26 dollars worth.
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By Fenrir.Velner 2022-03-04 17:38:01  
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Damn yo... SE is really hooking us up with these updates after making killer bank on the veterans who needed mog wardrobes.

I'm really getting my 26 dollars worth.

I do not believe the Mog Wardrobes were released with a promise, explicit or implied, that they would be followed by more staff and larger updates.
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By Homsar 2022-03-04 17:57:10  
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Damn yo... SE is really hooking us up with these updates after making killer bank on the veterans who needed mog wardrobes.

I'm really getting my 26 dollars worth.

Whoa there, do you have any idea how entitled you sound expecting to get something out of the money you pay to the multibillion dollar corporation?

Do you have any idea how much work it takes to click some buttons and adjust some sliders to update Ambuscade every month?

On top of that, they added enemies in an existing zone! Many a sleepless night were surely had completing such a herculean task!

And don't forget, once every other month or so they give us 3 additional cutscenes that largely involve a lone character model moving its mouth and occasionally raising a limb coupled with a cakewalk BCNM fight! I can only imagine the hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to develop such complex content!

You should be honored to pay monthly to play a 20 year old game that receives such significant updates!
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By SimonSes 2022-03-04 19:12:14  
Homsar said: »
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Damn yo... SE is really hooking us up with these updates after making killer bank on the veterans who needed mog wardrobes.

I'm really getting my 26 dollars worth.

Whoa there, do you have any idea how entitled you sound expecting to get something out of the money you pay to the multibillion dollar corporation?

Do you have any idea how much work it takes to click some buttons and adjust some sliders to update Ambuscade every month?

On top of that, they added enemies in an existing zone! Many a sleepless night were surely had completing such a herculean task!

And don't forget, once every other month or so they give us 3 additional cutscenes that largely involve a lone character model moving its mouth and occasionally raising a limb coupled with a cakewalk BCNM fight! I can only imagine the hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to develop such complex content!

You should be honored to pay monthly to play a 20 year old game that receives such significant updates!

Just quit, if you haven't already and spare us your sarcasm whiny tears.
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By Homsar 2022-03-04 20:41:05  
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Just quit, if you haven't already and spare us your sarcasm whiny tears.

nooooooooooo you can't just point out how little effort SE puts into monthly updates, think of their operating costs, they only made 2.4 billion dollars last year, nooooooooo
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By Lakshmi.Elidyr 2022-03-04 21:04:02  
Gets content: ***.
Doesn't get content: ***.
Monthly updates: ***.
Quarterly updates: ***.

Things I learned from the forums; ***.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-03-04 23:16:07  
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
Gets content: ***.
Doesn't get content: ***.
Monthly updates: ***.
Quarterly updates: ***.

Things I learned from the forums; ***.

In almost 20 years of FFXI, that has been the only constant.
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By Homsar 2022-03-04 23:52:47  
Lakshmi.Elidyr said: »
Gets half-assed, smidgen-above-zero effort content: Points out that it's half-assed, smidgen-above-zero effort content despite how much simps want to pretend it isn't.
Doesn't get content: Rightfully complains about lack of content.
Monthly updates: See above.
Quarterly updates: See above.

I'm not sure why it pains the simps so much to admit that SE doesn't put much effort into updating the game.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-05 01:48:36  
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I'm not sure why it pains the simps so much to admit that SE doesn't put much effort into updating the game.

Most people here know exactly how much effort SE puts into updating the game. For some people it's enough, for some people it's not enough. We know they planned to close FFXI a decade ago. We know there is no real potential for FFXI to suddenly bring millions of people for SE to justify spending huge amount of money to create tons of content. We know they have games, which are way more profitable and worth development time. We know the game could easily be in maintenance mode for many years now, but instead we still got substantial updates in past 5 years. I know games like Mobius FF or Paragon that are long time goners, because they simply shut them down instead of trying to keep them alive at all and those games were probably in much better position than FFXI. FFXI is probably only still going, because it's one of the main FF games, otherwise it would be dead or in full maintenance mode. So don't try to make us some reality check, because you are then who needs it. People who still play FFXI, love FFXI and don't want it to die, so we accept what we get, because we know the situation we are in.
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By Homsar 2022-03-05 03:41:45  
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so we accept what we get, because we know the situation we are in.

See, I don't think there's anything wrong with this as long as you're acknowledging that SE does very little in terms of updates. It's the people acting like changing the monthly Ambuscade battle and tossing out a few new TVR cutscenes/"fight" every 2 or 3 months are substantial updates that make it absurd.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-05 05:35:48  
But it is a substantial update in the situation we are in. This game has no perspectives for grow, it should be in maintenance for several years. Instead we are getting updates. Some more substantial than others but they are here and they are frequent. If that's not enough for you then quit. For me and many others that is more than enough.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2022-03-05 07:48:46  
I'm not saying you have Stockholm Syndrome, but if you were playing the role of a character with Stockholm Syndrome, that would be the lie you'd convince yourself of to really get into the part.
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By SimonSes 2022-03-05 08:04:27  
I'm not saying I don't give a *** about your opinion, but.. oh yeah, I actually don't give a *** about your opinion :)
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By Trig 2022-03-05 08:08:29  
This has probably already been mentioned (or complained about) but with all the power creep, the old content has becone trivial. The last time we had this sort of change, it was through full release of abyssea or adoulin. So if there isn't some big release of new content this year, these latest updates have only served to make the game stale with only 1 endgame that remains aligned to level.

So I hope they actually have a large chunk of content planned or they kinda botched the maintenance mode the game was left in for no good reason.
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