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That's because WAR is pretty good with any weapon it wields. The jobs archetype is what's known as a bruiser, a close range DPS that has high defense and can take hits, at the expense of no magic or utility. All the other jobs have some sort of specialty or mechanic to them.

AKA Mighty Strikes is OP.

We would have to same the same for Soul Voice, Clarian Call, Bolster, Soul Enslavement, Wild Card and Yaegasumi. Could likely find others but those are the ones that stand out. Astral Conduit is also "OP", but SE introduced stacking resistance if the same move is used consecutively.

But your the "if your not first your last" guy so whatever lets you sleep at night.

I don't know, just a quick interjection but BST doesn't lack offensive buffs, nor does it lack good gear.

It has MASSIVE attack boost capability from frenzied rage and sheep rage stacking. Arthur 33% attack/defense down. This combination makes capping pdif incredibly easy for BST not even including subjob capability and just raw damage boost from KI.

The issue lies in its ability to use all its tools that it has at its disposal. Making effective use of all of them is time consuming, cumbersome and not always practical.

Yeah, I've said the same thing. And I don't expect it to be on par, just to be able to do beastmaster specific things.

Use wild monsters, actually charm things, raise and keep a pet like a gimp, something. If you're forced to use jug pets, can't use abilities out of range like literally any other pet job can and those jug pets suck balls outside a couple niche applications.. what's left is just a gimp dd.

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I would update the mage weapon aftermaths as well. Specifically AM3. Giving multi-hit to backline jobs is pointless. How about they get “magic attacks occasionally cast 2-3x, and make them not susceptible to the MB nuke wall

I don't see attack as the unique buff in question. Every job gets that now since you bring BRD/COR/GEO to everything. Corrosive Ooze isn't unique, Armor Break/Ageha is only 8% less but capping pdif isn't hard anymore either. Killer Instinct is the only unique buff BST has access to, and you can't always make use of it due to not having access to those Ecosystem-type pets (for instance, you get no benefit to it in Sortie except vs Dhartok). WAR gets massive TP Bonus which I feel goes a lot further than simply attack bonus. It being able to buff others makes it even better.

I do find it strange that BST's primary weapon is Axe, and they gave BST the Fencer Trait specifically for this weapon, but left them off of Blurred Shield (and put DRK on it, w/e idc about "shield type") and also gave them fewer Fencer tiers than WAR. Equally strange is 95% of shields that BST can use are terrible, and none of them buff the pet in any way. So in something like Gaol, you expect me to fight with my pet but don't make any complimentary gear available to bst for their pet. its weird how they expect us to play it the way they want but also don't make it attractive enough to bother.

Honestly, outside of TP reset strat and Purulent Ooze, has anyone gotten major use out of BST in any of the Gaol bosses, fighting alongside their pets the way SE wants you to play the job? I used BST on Mboze in the same style as WAR (tp on add, ws Mboze), with Leech pet resetting TP, but that's the only instance I have ever seen used endgame. I haven't seen one other situation where the SE-preferred-BST-playstyle works, which is different from say PUP or SMN who has a major role in certain setups.

It's the best DPS increase a job can give itself in the entire game, right? Those others are great too but usually given to others in a support role (not drk or sam, obviously) That's all I meant. No idea where that last comment comes from but I've said tons of dumb stuff I'm sure so maybe I am that guy to you :)

This isn't really an issue since BST can offhand a TP Bonus +1000 axe at a minimum, if not just use the TP Bonus +500 one (or both).

The real issue is a combination of mediocre gear choices combined with bad passive JT / Gifts. Malignance and Gleti's kinda helped that out, but their no where near what Sakpata is. Single hit WS is gonna be Nyama, multi-hit is likely to be also Nyame with a few pieces of Gleti thrown in.

Like I've built a full "DD" BST/NIN and it wasn't bad, just an inferior version of WAR. If the BST pets at least came with decent party buffs I could see it being useful. Like have the Sheep Rage be +25% attack, no defense reduction, for the whole party, and Zealous Snort also be party wide, basically like how the Rabbit's heal works.

No, fighting with pet is terrible. Bst hp is too low, armor too thin and it becomes both a TP feed machine (no sb) and an mp sponge (no native heal abilities).

You end up having to walk in and out to get tandem strike on for pet abilities but not take any aoes.

Like some kind of mad naked pokemon trainer that is too weak to fight with its pet.

Well yeah, warcry is crazy strong, capping pdif isn't hard either. I was simply stating that I disagreed with the statement regarding it lacks good buffs and good gear. The job is quite capable, its just not always practical to utilize all of its tools in a quick/efficient manner.

Umm .. BST got much better gear now with Odyssea Gaol and Malignance.

Have you seen the defensive stats on Gleti and Nyame? Malignance has good magic defense though it's physical defense is a bit low.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Gleti%27s_Armor_Set

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Nyame_Armor_Set

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Gleti%27s_Armor_Set

Gleti and Malignance come with Store TP and some Multi-Attack, Nyame is just Multi-Attack but does have the best overall defense stats for anything not-Sakpata.

Will second that most of BSTs issue is just its kit via having to juggle 3-4 different pets to do what other jobs can out of their own natural kit and not be tied to a long recast/limited resource. That said it really could use some better shields, jobs been shfted on that for ages.

But shields/grips are grossly underutilized in general, there's like 3-4 stand out ones, then its all various levels of mediocre

Doing my monthly Peculiar Foes, and lets all take a moment of silence for Cornelia...

That's with Gleti and malignace. Granted my bst is ML1 or so.

Then you are doing something very very wrong.


It's the exact same gear everyone else gets, you are effectively calling everyone else "hp is too low, armor too thin and it becomes both a TP feed machine (no sb) and an mp sponge".

You realize BST doesn't need SB, Axe has good WS's and actually has good weapon choices. I've done it, it works decent but is more like a WAR -1. At least BRD's and COR's can give the party buffs, so their lower damage is perfectly acceptable.

As far as your Pet is concerned, ignore it. It's there to give you buffs, enemy debuffs or heal you, but otherwise ignore it. Every button you push is a damage debuff you inflict on yourself and you will never get your pet to exceed what you can do. This is because players can be super buffed with stacking support jobs and then spam high damage WS every few seconds. Just imagine having permanent Run Wild and 3s recharge time on ready, that's essentially what player DPS are.

This is a ridiculously good weapon at max upgrade.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Ikenga%27s_Axe

You can then pair it with another high strength axe, a prime weapon, or a TP Bonus +1000 off hand for maximum damage Calamity's. Mistral isn't worth using anymore as it's only 50% STR and nowadays that second mod is super important if your primary is less then 80~85% STR.

So "you're doing it wrong". Ok, thanks, very useful. Rather not give a just as patronising response, leave it there.

Yes either are you doing it wrong, or you are exaggerating.

It's also possible you were getting stuck in ready sets with non-iLevel gear or other "kill me" type sets. Lots of stuff could be going wrong, ultimately I've built and played as a DPS BST/NIN just to demonstrate it can be done. It worked, was very much the definition of mediocre. Rage would seem like a nice DPS bonus but is a huge trap, the def -50% is going to get you killed, the aoe def down is decent enough or the rabbits aoe heal.

Mediocre is right.

Your feedback was "have you heard about Gleti/Malignance/Nyame" and "you're doing it wrong".

Lol.

To this statement, absolutely.

BST has 2 magic defense down pets AND KI works on magic damage but it's still so underwhelming that you would never add it to a mage comp unless party size was alliance.

Glenn has no ready moves! Everyone knows they did BST dirty. Where is his hero medal, where is his little Masamune!?

Yeah the BST pets need more active party support abilities if they want a remote chance of them being brought for anything other then TP reset. And they've proven they can do it, the Rabbit's aoe heal is really good. Expanding on that, other pets could grant different party bonus's, might be enough for non-Gaol content.

Gaol is just dumb though, so I hope nobody is using that as a standard.

Far as no subtle blow goes, pet gets at min. 15(think jobs with the right jobs get the traits but not sure) and the bst(with r30 gleti legs) 30 total before adding anything like sherida or basic SBI accessories so donno bout no SB

Dang axe haters, look what you made me do...

Naegling savage would be higher, rip axe

yeah it is lmao, but buttt butttttt nvm that! lol stupid sword

I was replying to this. The answer is yes I've tried and no, it sucks. Categorically.

Just sic your pet on it, go in to do the moves and gtfo. Damage isn't worth doing. I want to like it but.. but.

I don't wanna hear "have you heard about agwu's axe bro". Just don't.

We used BST for V25 Kalunga clear. It engaged with pet, and would Stay the pet away when it was in danger (during aura or tp move spam). You can get a lot of use out of the job for lower vengeance level fights. I distinctly recall main healing V15 Gogmagog as BST with Pondering Peter. The problem is it's not optimal, therefore people are less willing to try it, and nobody has it geared well enough to use over GEO or whatever random unga bunga DD job.

Youre not using axe on war in any meaningful content, thanks. Also the convo is clearly tailored to bst.

You then made a post about offhanding TP bonus axe. Yes, pump up that TP acc mod lol.