It's like Saevel said, theres an either/or condition.
@ Aggro if you do nothing it will summon adds every "set time?" (haven't timed it)
But if you drop its hp (99% 90% 80% 70% 60% give or take) it summons the next wave immediately.
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Antican Ambuscade V1
Based on our observation and since our order was to kill BLMs,Sabotender first then move to Consul, it was every 30s..
We only Zerged after Sabotender and BLMs were dead. And Japanese Wiki said the same thing about timers. Leave your insecurities outside this and move on. I can also confirm that it summons much faster than every 30 seconds if killing quickly. If doing a SMN zerg, where it's dead less than 30 seconds after pull, it still has like 12 adds out when it dies.
Asura.Eiryl said: » It's like Saevel said, theres an either/or condition. @ Aggro if you do nothing it will summon adds every "set time?" (haven't timed it) But if you drop its hp (99% 90% 80% 70% 60% give or take) it summons the next wave immediately. Haven't experimented enough with the new one but I have all reasons to believe the Consul's behaviour is exactely the same.
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So, cactus never repops, don't ask how I know... /panic
Asura.Eiryl said: » So, cactus never repops, don't ask how I know... /panic Leviathan.Katriina said: » Based on our observation and since our order was to kill BLMs,Sabotender first then move to Consul, it was every 30s.. We only Zerged after Sabotender and BLMs were dead. And Japanese Wiki said the same thing about timers. Leave your insecurities outside this and move on. So you just admitted that you guys ignored him entirely. Asura.Saevel said: » The adds are based on HP and time we believe, on VD when we would hulk smash the MB he would be virtually non-stop summoning adds. Anyone who's rapidly brought the MB's HP down with buffed up melee's can get him to chain summon. Ragnarok.Ejiin said: » 3) Sand Trap. Sand Trap is always followed up by an immediate Sand Rush regardless of TP fed to it. I believe the damage you deal between the window of Sand Trap and Sand Rush affects the damage Sand Rush does. Every time we turned after Trap and waited for Rush, it always did low damage. TL;DR: Turn during MS and after Sand Trap until it uses Sand Rush to lower the chances of everyone getting 1 shot. That would explain quite a few random instances where he did really high damage to us. Asura.Saevel said: » So you just admitted that you guys ignored him entirely. Not even once I mentioned the word zerg and timer in the same sentence. but to cut things short: 30 s when its not "Zerged" and w/e you want during zerg idc. Leviathan.Katriina said: » Asura.Saevel said: » So you just admitted that you guys ignored him entirely. Not even once I mentioned the word zerg and timer in the same sentence. but to cut things short: 30 s when its not "Zerged" and w/e you want during zerg idc. *Cough* Leviathan.Katriina said: » Unless Japanese wiki is also *generally wrong* like some salty queens on this forum like to think. summoning time is every 30s. Quote: 戦闘開始から30秒毎*1にボスによりお供のアンティカ族が召喚される*2。とてやさでは1度に1体ずつ3体まで、やさしいでは1体ずつ4体まで、ふつうでは1体ずつ5体まで、むずでは2体ずつ10体まで、とてむずでは3体ずつ最大15体の大軍団となる。 “The boss' s Antica tribe is summoned by boss every 30 seconds“ Guess I found a better source to confirm observations next time.. That was after several people observed there was a HP mechanic involved.
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clearlyamule said: » 20 seconds of beating on a mob can easily result in way more than entire page of logs depending on filters. What do you want a youtube video Asura.Saevel said: » That was after several people observed there was a HP mechanic involved. But, whatever works we are all here to observe and share. Adds seem synced to her reset move as well, they will target 2nd on list. Leviathan.Katriina said: » Asura.Saevel said: » That was after several people observed there was a HP mechanic involved. You aren't gonna win this one (or any of them tbh) you're just huffin and puffin, wearing your kb out for nuffin
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I mean you might have had a point... if you hadn't dismissed non 30 seconds entirely against several testimonies to the point of even accusing someone of photo shopping proof. It's a little too late to take the higher ground
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clearlyamule said: » several testimonies If you have an issue,youre more than welcome to keep it in personal messages... Don't waste other people's time on your delusions/fabrications Leviathan.Katriina said: » If you have an issue,youre more than welcome to keep it in personal messages... Don't waste other people's time on your delusions/fabrications 
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Quote: The timestamps are there. Call messages aren't time-stamped in video. From lowest speed play and taking the start of summoning (or end of, doesnt matter): 21:40:48 Agro 21:41:14 first summon 26s 21:41:42 second summon 28s 21:41:56 Sabotender is dead now.. 21:42:05 Third "failed" summon 23s 21:42:28 Fourth "failed" summon 23s 21:42:54 Fifth "failed" summon 26s It's fair to say that its relatively "timed" and given the log/latency and not having NM moves visible as mentioned before, a 30s "designed" window was probably intended.. You're welcome to post your findings once zerging starts ( I didnt see a single summon animation after it was engaged...)  I win cookies right? I think thats as fast as the game can actually allow him to summon!
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Great you showed during zerg (possibly with your SMN mules AC/AF)
And I showed before engaging that its timed which changes absolutely nothing from any statement/observation I made. Good, everybody can go to sleep now. Valefor.Angierus said: » Literally no one cares who you play with. You would think that, but there are literally sandy vaginas looking for any reason to report you. never post evidence. (of anything) ((anywhere)) (((ever)))
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So something interesting was just messing around this time very very slowly killing cactuar while trusts tank. Took about 2 minutes between first and second add and about another minute for 3rd
Leviathan.Katriina said: » Unless Japanese wiki is also *generally wrong* like some salty queens on this forum like to think. summoning time is every 30s. Quote: 戦闘開始から30秒毎*1にボスによりお供のアンティカ族が召喚される*2。とてやさでは1度に1体ずつ3体まで、やさしいでは1体ずつ4体まで、ふつうでは1体ずつ5体まで、むずでは2体ずつ10体まで、とてむずでは3体ずつ最大15体の大軍団となる。 “The boss' s Antica tribe is summoned by boss every 30 seconds“ Guess I found a better source to confirm observations next time.. So looks like JP Wiki isn't as accurate as you may have thought. Cause i too have seen it spawn 2~3 sets of adds in the 15 seconds it takes to kill. Remember just because it's written in Japanese doesn't mean it's 100% accurate. Asura.Eiryl said: » So, cactus never repops, don't ask how I know... /panic We had to re-kill it again (couple of Fusions) and re-kill the bunch of adds that repopped. I assumed that was a normal mechanic, but now you're making me wonder it was a one time bug or something... Never seen that happen in the new version of course. Leviathan.Katriina said: » You're welcome to post your findings once zerging starts ( I didnt see a single summon animation after it was engaged...) He does that every now and then, you even get a message. I haven't seen that happening on EVERY run but I'm not sure if it's me not noticing or if there's something making that happen. Asura.Sechs said: » Leviathan.Katriina said: » You're welcome to post your findings once zerging starts ( I didnt see a single summon animation after it was engaged...) He does that every now and then, you even get a message. I haven't seen that happening on EVERY run but I'm not sure if it's me not noticing or if there's something making that happen. It always tries to call every wave, whether it succeeds or not. Unless you kill it before it can try. Which would be pretty hard. (smns) I could see it repopping, if; You kill cactus, and only took 20% off the Boss, after a set amount of time it could respawn since it never fully popped(or tried to and failed to pop) all it's waves. but, it would have to be incredibly slow for that to happen. Clearlyamule said he held the boss until 10 seconds left and no Cactuar repop.
So either there's many conditions to fulfill for cactuar to repop or what happened to that PUG group I was in many months ago was just a bug or whatever else. Either way, even if he can repop, it seems to be very rare so I wouldn't worry about it really. Well, he, like I, got the boss low enough to pop all the waves (I'm assuming) held it at say, 5% then killed it with 10 seconds left.
If you killed cactus, never hurt the boss, and held it @ 100% in theory, thats how you respawn it. You would have to meet a very specific set of conditions though; Kill cactus fast enough to only pop 1~4 waves (less than 2 minutes) Fail to damage boss beyond 70%~ in (10?) minutes Cactus will respawn (all theory) Might only do it at higher hps? I took a decent chunk off quickly then slowly wittled it down with autos I wouldn't let ws lol
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