Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Good ol climate deniers, never change.
It was -25C this morning here, winter is coming.
It was -25C this morning here, winter is coming.
Isn't it always winter in Canada and any day that is like 40 F is warm ?
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Isn't it always winter in Canada and any day that is like 40 F is warm ?
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If you guys want to get more people on board with this climate change stuff, you need to provide better incentives. The promise of warmer weather and watching California burn to a crisp just aren't motivating me to change anything.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » If you guys want to get more people on board with this climate change stuff, you need to provide better incentives. The promise of warmer weather and watching California burn to a crisp just aren't motivating me to change anything. 
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » But how much hardship are you willing to suffer? There are plenty of things that can be done without having a major impact on your quality of life ... we don't need to fall into the extremes. This is pure ignorance right here. The people you support pretty much demand we give up virtually all modern luxuries in order to keep worldwide power output at about a hundred years ago. That or reduce global population by about 75% within a few generations. Yeah that's the real answer to meet your "goals". Of course you won't do that nor would any of the climate zealots, and thus it's just a huge game of *** where they pretend to give answers and you pretend to care. I've said this before, if you truly believe in catastrophic climate Armageddon, then do your part for humanity and reduce the population by one.
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That's ridiculous Saevel, no one is asking us to give up electricity, just to stop generating it with fossil fuels.
Asura.Saevel said: » I've said this before, if you truly believe in catastrophic climate Armageddon, then do your part for humanity and reduce the population by one. Do us all a favor and go first. That entire post was made up. Meanwhile, enjoy the longer, colder winters and longer, hotter summers as the 4 seasons continue to recede. Garuda.Chanti said: » That's ridiculous Saevel, no one is asking us to give up electricity, just to stop generating it with fossil fuels. Yeah, because that's so freaking easy to do.
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No reason to link this other than its hella amusing.
Cops Find Evidence of Money Laundering in Most Obvious Place Suspect busted after authorities in Amsterdam find $400K in cash crammed into washing machine Newser Pretty weird, funny, and interesting story broke in the UK yesterday.
Parliament seizes cache of Facebook internal papers. Quote: Parliament has used its legal powers to seize internal Facebook documents in an extraordinary attempt to hold the US social media giant to account after chief executive Mark Zuckerberg repeatedly refused to answer MPs’ questions. The cache of documents is alleged to contain significant revelations about Facebook decisions on data and privacy controls that led to the Cambridge Analytica scandal. It is claimed they include confidential emails between senior executives, and correspondence with Zuckerberg. Damian Collins, the chair of the culture, media and sport select committee, invoked a rare parliamentary mechanism to compel the founder of a US software company, Six4Three, to hand over the documents during a business trip to London. In another exceptional move, parliament sent a sergeant at arms to his hotel with a final warning and a two-hour deadline to comply with its order. When the software firm founder failed to do so, it’s understood he was escorted to parliament. He was told he risked fines and even imprisonment if he didn’t hand over the documents. This is the UK's Sergeant-at-Arms. I'd laugh if he brought the mace with him to the hotel.  Garuda.Chanti said: » That's ridiculous Saevel, no one is asking us to give up electricity, just to stop generating it with fossil fuels. Which is the same thing as giving up electricity. To power the world with just renewable's you would need to dial back our energy usage to pre-industrial levels. If we placed solar panels on every inch of usable land in the world, it would generate enough power for only the USA at 2006 levels. Our planet is mostly covered in water, that puts a huge dent into solar / wind for anything at scale. Hydro is solid but that only works in a few places where the geography + weather allows for it. Geothermal would be great except the same geographic requirements kick in. At the end of the day you have two choices for base load, nuclear or hydrocarbons. Since your afraid of anything nuclear that leaves us with just coal and natural-gas, which are the two predominate power sources.
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Now for the real kicker, all the liberal sheeps keep thinking residential power and SUV's as being the energy hogs.
https://www.epa.gov/energy/electricity-customers Industrial + Commercial are what's really using energy. That's your grocery stores, your office buildings, your data centers (which is the internet) your hospitals and pretty much everything that defines our way of life.
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Speaking of climate change...
YouTube Video Placeholder Asura.Saevel said: » Now for the real kicker, all the liberal sheeps keep thinking residential power and SUV's as being the energy hogs. What's ironic in that is that I'm living in a liberal mecca and I see SUVs everywhere. In other words, even if they believe it, they don't care enough to do anything about it. They're focusing too much attention on trying to convert the non-believers if they can't even get their own people on board first. Just look at all the climate gurus taking private jets to Switzerland.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: » Asura.Saevel said: » Now for the real kicker, all the liberal sheeps keep thinking residential power and SUV's as being the energy hogs. What's ironic in that is that I'm living in a liberal mecca and I see SUVs everywhere. In other words, even if they believe it, they don't care enough to do anything about it. They're focusing too much attention on trying to convert the non-believers if they can't even get their own people on board first. Just look at all the climate gurus taking private jets to Switzerland. That's why it's just a pure power grab, lip service at the best of times.
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Asura.Saevel said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » That's ridiculous Saevel, no one is asking us to give up electricity, just to stop generating it with fossil fuels. To power the world with just renewable's you would need to dial back our energy usage to pre-industrial levels. If we placed solar panels on every inch of usable land in the world, it would generate enough power for only the USA at 2006 levels. Our planet is mostly covered in water, that puts a huge dent into solar / wind for anything at scale. Hydro is solid but that only works in a few places where the geography + weather allows for it. Geothermal would be great except the same geographic requirements kick in. At the end of the day you have two choices for base load, nuclear or hydrocarbons. Since your afraid of anything nuclear that leaves us with just coal and natural-gas, which are the two predominate power sources. Were they not you would provide links. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Asura.Saevel said: » Now for the real kicker, all the liberal sheeps keep thinking residential power and SUV's as being the energy hogs. What's ironic in that is that I'm living in a liberal mecca and I see SUVs everywhere. In other words, even if they believe it, they don't care enough to do anything about it. Probably because no one believes SUVs and residential power are energy hogs, its just a made up argument. Coal however, continues to be a worthless energy source and its been nice to see Trump's quest to save it has not stopped its decline. Viciouss said: » Bahamut.Ravael said: » Asura.Saevel said: » Now for the real kicker, all the liberal sheeps keep thinking residential power and SUV's as being the energy hogs. What's ironic in that is that I'm living in a liberal mecca and I see SUVs everywhere. In other words, even if they believe it, they don't care enough to do anything about it. Probably because no one believes SUVs and residential power are energy hogs, its just a made up argument. Coal however, continues to be a worthless energy source and its been nice to see Trump's quest to save it has not stopped its decline. Except for the mainstream media. And climate news organizations. And various world governments. But, uh, yeah. That's pretty much nobody, Vic.
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Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Saevel said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » That's ridiculous Saevel, no one is asking us to give up electricity, just to stop generating it with fossil fuels. To power the world with just renewable's you would need to dial back our energy usage to pre-industrial levels. If we placed solar panels on every inch of usable land in the world, it would generate enough power for only the USA at 2006 levels. Our planet is mostly covered in water, that puts a huge dent into solar / wind for anything at scale. Hydro is solid but that only works in a few places where the geography + weather allows for it. Geothermal would be great except the same geographic requirements kick in. At the end of the day you have two choices for base load, nuclear or hydrocarbons. Since your afraid of anything nuclear that leaves us with just coal and natural-gas, which are the two predominate power sources. Were they not you would provide links. You first. Not that you would read them anyway. Psst over 70% of the earth is water, of the remaining 29% about a quarter is too far north (northern Canada / Greenland / Russia) or too far south (Antarctica) to receive much solar energy. Now remove inland lakes, rivers and mountains and what you have remaining is all you have to work with. Making it worse is that solar input isn't uniform, there is a band around the equator that receives quite a bit more then the rest and raises the average, unfortunately that band doesn't have a whole lot of land. Not to mention doing this would absolutely destroy those environments and kill off all life in the area. So like I said, if you where to put solar panels on every inch of usable land in the world, it's enough power for the USA at 2006 energy levels. Physics says this, and while I know physics doesn't exist in the alternate reality of liberals, its not something you can win an argument against.
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Looking around, every pro-solar site has been extremely optimistic, unrealistic so and ends up with a result that's at least an order of magnitude too high. Also they conflate electricity usage with energy usage along with residential vs industrial / commercial.
The giant hint that someone is going to be is they use peak energy input (slightly past noon) as the basis for their calculations, along with making the assumption that you can spray paint solar panels. Instead we use actual real life solar farms, the size the use compared to the annual energy output and that becomes the unit of measure. So yeah not enough usable land in the world to make it work.
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What makes you think that the future of energy is 100% solar?
I personally am 100% hydro. The Grand Coulee Dam, exports power to over 1/3 of the country. Windfarms are expanding in WA as well, I pass through a windfarm on I90. I know states like Texas and Oklahoma are not rich in hydro resources, but they have no lack of wind. Today most windfarms in the flat states tend to run cattle under the turbines but in many places solar is under the turbines. Eventually many more will switch to solar under the turbines. Almost zero maintenance. Someday the south slopes of WA's windfarms will be solar as well. Nor is nuclear dead yet. Its the disposal problem mostly and a combination of fast breeder reactors and pebble bed reactors could SO solve that. Did you know that Boise ID has been running on geothermal for over a century? Garuda.Chanti said: » I personally am 100% hydro yeah we'll just move all the other 7 billion people to your town. problem solved
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Asura.Saevel said: » Hydro is solid but that only works in a few places where the geography + weather allows for it *Cough* *Cough*
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So what I'm reading is, the places that have geothermal and/or hydro energy use them, and the places that don't... don't.
I think I'm seeing a connection here.
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I’ve never seen the climate. How should i know it exist, and should i start to consider the possibility of considering worrying about considering the existence of a climate?
The thing about climate is we could also go back to a global cooling. That would be pretty cool...
fonewear said: » The thing about climate is we could also go back to a global cooling. That would be pretty cool... Oh that's coming in a few thousand years. The earth goes through these ridiculously long cycles of warm vs freezing cold temperatures. What amazes me about "climatologists" is they only seem to care about climate starting around 1890, which is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. These people can't be that stupid, so it must be willful ignorance that they deliberately ignore the previous warming periods where SUV's and modern industry didn't exist.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: » which is why governments need to step in. yeah I can't think of anyone more qualified to fix all of your imaginary problems that "the government"...dude..have you ever met an elected official? or listened to one? saw one on tv? what brand of weed are you smoking? and where can I get some? Garuda.Chanti said: » I saw an article in Scientific American over 10 years ago that traced anthropocentric global warming to over 10K years BCE. well you don't have to worry about a thing! Shiroi just put Donald Trump in charge...I'm sure he'll have it fixed in a jiffy....
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