Fudo Masamune? Pros/Cons

who needs tp bonus off hand when you're spamming metsu anyways? :^)

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This is absolutely absurd. REMAs have one but these have 3(1). Would have been more appealing if either: augments could be used in offhand or the paths could be changed at will

So, I have a question then. Do you cap atk with just geo buffs and honor march, because at the same time you're talking about dropping atk brd buffs for madrigals, wars and drks are talking about how with brd buffs and geo you don't need chaos roll.

Obviously, ideally you don't want to mix dd types in a pt, but there are a lot of assumptions and ifs in the argument.

It's basically saying "Yeah, it's great.... as long as these 5-6 things are true."

Even if that's the case Id still take 1000 tp bonus using chaos/sam over no tp bonus + sam/da roll all day everyday. 1000 tp bonus is bigger gain than da roll.


The DD type will always be mixed because cor takes permanent spot in high lv pt. So double madrigal will benefit someone regardless.

Not sure january's ambuscade is worth mentioning.
Damage is like, what, multiplied by 10?
I could reach 99k with Exenterator on BRD lol, says a lot xD

Not trying to deny what you wrote because it's absolutely true.
The "price" to pay for Madrigals being so potent is that, unlike most other Acc+ buffs, it only affects melee accuracy but not ranged accuracy. This ultimately sorta hurts NIN, moderately, because of Daken.

One thing to point out about Minuets (att songs) is that sure, they are by comparison less powerful than acc songs compared to other jobs.
The good part though is that they are static values, not %.
This means they are calculated BEFORE other att% buffs and as such multiplied by them.
Stuff like Smite, Berserk, Chaos roll, Fury, all indirectly make Minuets stronger and viceversa Minuets make those buffs stronger simply because they affect your base attack before the att% bonus is applied.

Again, not to deny what you said, but it's something to keep into consideration.

I can understand the aug not working offhand.
We're all in pain for that, but at the same time I'm sure we can all understand why augs don't work offhand.

The fact Aug can't be swapped though is absolute ***. I'm confident and positive they're gonna patch at least that in the future.

This is my point actually. It's a bigger gain, for you, not for the group as a whole.

He's doing low level content, magian off hand is 200~300 loss in accuracy which is crippling on anything worth discussing.

BRD songs are base attack which has an astronomical effect due to attack buffs being percentages of that base.

For a WAR
Smite: 19.9%
Berserk: 35%
Idris Fury: 61.7
Chaos: 53.12

Total: 169.7% increase.

+Attack
Honor March: 232 * 2.697 = +625 Attack
Min V: 233 * 2.697 = +628 Attack

1100~1200 is about what most jobs have for base attack prior to the percentage multipliers so HM and VM basically double your attack value. The attack cap is really high now, especially with PDL.

DRK Previous (just example since theirs is the highest)
Before 3.75 pDiffMax for a 4.125 attack cap.

Now (3.75 + 0.5) * 1.10 = 4.675 + 0.375 = 5.05 attack cap.

That means over 5x the monsters defense is needed to cap attack and anything worth discussing has a few thousand defense, which makes it functionally impossible without lots of defense down. Bolster isn't a 24/7 ability regardless on how some people like to pretend it is and SE's has been creating boss's that are resistant to Geomancy.

So attack buffs are still needed for serious stuff, we don't go all in but we don't ignore them either.

Just get kikoku and OH fudo. Ez attack

Uh... no. If you're talking base attack, then HM and Min5 are 465 and add maybe 1/3. You can't take the post-multiplier value of songs and compare it to the pre-multiplier value of everything else, that is silly.

This appears to be the most sensible Katana combination that covers most of a Ninja's needs when it isn't able to be buffed out the bandwidth (missing a GEO or COR). Attack (loads of it), Accuracy and Ranged Accuracy. In the ideal situation where you're getting full buffs, you'd default to Heishi/Kanaria(Ochu) and spam Ten. More often than not, I've found myself in a less-than-ideal buff scenario on NIN, unless I'm in an event that is low on DD or catered to my NIN specifically (this month's ambuscade).

I don't have the cash right now to delve into Making Kikoku and R15 it, as well as buying a Fudo Masamune, but in the future for me, its a nice goal to have both sets of Katanas ready for whatever buff situation you find yourself in.

Best part about offhand fudo is you don't even have to augment it. Unless you really want that extra base damage lol

All augments are active only when the weapon is in your Main Hand. This includes the +7 damage.

Actually if you don't plan on tanking or using it as a main hand option in place of your REMA, there is no reason to augment it. It becomes the perfect offhand option for most needs.

Way late to this reply, but what the heck...

Why forego the ability to have a top tier tanking mainhand for minimal additional effort? Unless you truly can't ever conceive of a niche for NIN tanking (which seems kinda weird, since it does occasionally have its moments), there's really only one compelling reason to avoid augmenting - and that's to preserve the ability to re-sell the unaugmented weapon.

If you're not planning to sell, might as well open path C to make your situationally excellent DD offhand pull double duty as one of the two most significant mainhand tanking weapons (along with Nagi). It doesn't even take maxing out the augment, once you get to like rank 8~10ish with Fudo the tanking benefits start to become very significant. That's only a couple of good Divergence farming runs, even if you refuse to spend any Heroism items with Oboro.

No, it's probably not going to be your usual mainhand choice. But it sure is nice to have the option when NIN tanking is handy on an NM (various Ambuscade mobs, Halphas, etc.), or when a tank dies and you jump in on the fly on a temporary basis and instantly change to "tanking mode" by popping Yonin and swapping your DD mainhand out.

Fudo Masamune with Nagi offhand is ridic enmity, but is it necessary to hit the +200 enmity gear cap? How much can NIN get a hold of and does enmity+ ninjutsu count towards gear cap? (I think it's 30 enmity)

Once ninja is great again I'll consider getting this weapon.

Or to win a lockstyle contest which is also important.

Also my pros and cons:


Pro it looks cool

Con it is overpriced for an off hand.

There is my expert analysis of this weapon.

Nagi's enmity only works in the main hand slot.

But Nagi style points work in every slot /shrug

True

Too bad we can't dual wield them, like in the official SE pics.

Start an equipset for lockstyle, put the weapon on the first slot, switch the inventory location where the weapon is, put the weapon on the second slot, marvel as you can now lockstyle two of the same ra/ex weapon

Lol

Was just browsing through Nin weapons since staging to be able to solo some odyssey early levels to pop stuff later.

Looks like Kikoku > Fudo is best for uncapped attack party play?
Is that still true? Or Aeonic I'm sure would be fine but I'm working on flute atm.

In my case, wouldn't path B be best when I solo and just switch it to mainhand? What would be a solid offhand for solo nm hunting?

Do you get to use trusts? Are they going to be in range of the monster you're fighting?
Yagyu Darkblade

I went with Heishi when I saw it outperforms the other Katanas in situations where I find myself in. You can do quick solo light SCs and double magic burst as long as your aftermath is up.

For offhand, Gleti's Knife if you're not magic bursting and Kunimitsu when you are magic bursting.

Here is a good video Logical did comparing Katanas

https://youtu.be/Tz3YKEYzdd4

Yeah that answer is like if I asked what's the quickest route to downtown and you said, just warp there...


Awesome, thanks!