Ambuscade Volume 1 Feb. 2019

We're at 7~9 min clears for VD using coordinated defense down moves and skillchains.

That's exactly what we did and it worked very nicely. Once we got it down our runs were in the 8min range (I'd Mighty Guard on blu and it wouldnt wear until we were done with the Boss plus about 2-3 of the adds. Couldnt quite last the entire run)

I'm not sure I buy the whole "SCing stops PD". I'd wager if anything it's damage over a certain amount, SC is just easiest way to hit it. I just did a 20k Distortion SC and it PD'd instantly in response. So I'm wondering if it's just "Do more than 30k to delay PD" or if we're wrong about the mechanic entirely.

I'm gonna say wrong entirely, plenty of times I've done 30k+ 4 step sc and it answers with PD, boss and minis.

It just seems to be random, sometimes they PD without even being hit! wake up from sleep and PD. the faster you kill it, the less they can PD (obviously). There was one mini yesterday that did pd after every single ws, it was literally impossible to sc it lol.

It's definitely SC damage and not WS damage. We've had runs where we spammed our strongest WS's and had it spam PD until I made the BLU's use CDC instead of Expacian. *Bam* instant stopped the PD spam.

Our theory is that the monster can not PD during the MB window of a SC or something along those lines.

Didnt bother to read this whole thread, but tested today, you CAN take a geo, torpor/frailty work full potency and dont cause any of the mechanics as songs/rolls or geo buffing spells cause.

RIP WHM's then

It's probably a damage threshold, and 20k isn't enough.

3-step chain seems to be the sweet spot.

You sure the qiqirn aren't immune to the effects of offensive geomancy?

Damage went way up with same dd's when we brought a geo to do torpor/frailty, can test it also if you want, but we did some testing today with Leaden's, with malaise, then finally torpor/frailty. Damage was night and day from the same dd's using torpor/frailty.

I just tried Indi-Poison and it didn't seem to work, it never went from 100%-99%

tried on VE vol 1

Just tested frailty and topor. No increase in damage or acc seen.

Whats up with all the contradicting results again?

1) Certain secret mechanic makes geo work?
2) people didnt test properly?

Can anyone post the exact steps that they use?

I was thinking exactly the same lol. How can something so simple have completely different result. There is some mechanic or someone is very bad at testing stuff :)

And they're usually pretty damn dumb tbh. There really is not much easier than verifying THAT something works. (Finding the amount, is a different story)

The pure ignorance when the frog was the ambu was absolutely priceless for example. and the WSD thing from a few months back... 10 *** pages. seriously. Some of you can't even be bothered to verify your GEO+ and Roll+ gear is equipped properly ffs.

Incredible difference GEO makes, look at that night and day change

Kind of late to the show on this but... Impact is another debuff RDM should try to work in. With the recent Magic Accuracy buffs the job got coupled with Frazzle III I was having absolutely no trouble sticking Impact on pretty much every mob in the battle. It speeds up the kill-speed a lot.

Impact has a long cast and recast. We can deal with the long cast but even at cap the recast means evey other or third add.

True. The timer can be an issue.

I tend to use it first on the MB then use Spontaniety and Insta-Cast it on the first add so when that dies quickly it's ready for the second add. Third one is a bit of a wash but it should be up for the fourth add.

Finally a good use for that JA.

So, what's with the random Kibosh damage? I make sure to dispel whenever it steals anything, can't help if it steals tp...and still one shots peeps. Other times it deals very little.

I suspect it's based on proximity to other Qiqrin that fluctuates the damage.

I've been hit for 2500 on VE, there are no other Q's to be near, so thats out.

Possibly related to the Def/M.Def down from Dead Eye or -stat from Status Theft.

As mostly whm to this month Ambuscade I've erased all these when melee been afflicted, still does deadly Kibosh sometimes.

I've seen deadly kiboosh even with everything erased. Granted it seems (but maybe I'm biased) it's less frequent when everything gets erased?

I was trying to dispel everything but I'm not 100% sure I remembered to dispel on every single Qiqrin every run, every time, every second.


The proximity theory by Ruaumoko... could be, but I *think* I remember seeing deadly kiboosh even with just one Qiqrin left alive. (not 100% sure on this though, I could be wrong)

So far, I have two hypothesis to Kibosh:

Hypothesis I:
Kibosh seems to gain momentum after The Pilferer is done with Theft Cycle on a single target, before it drops a Mine and hate gets reset.

It still needs confirmation, but from the last 5 runs or so on D in a PUG, the only two incidents that Kibosh did 3k+ was after a Theft Cycle, where; HP Theft> MP Theft> Status Theft> Ability Theft> TP Theft> Kibosh> Player was floored.[Order seemed random but always ended with TP Theft].

Hypothesis II:
Kibosh only gets a buff if the player who is about to get hit with it has a debuff active, Defense Down, Magic Defense Down, Blind, Status Down like -100 VIT.

I went several times on DNC, and I always used [Healing Waltz] with WHM to cancel all Debuffs, granted it was at most three debuffs, but twice I got hit with all 3 Theft moves and Sand Spray.. couldn't remove the last one, and got hit with 3k+.

In regards to party setup [Inconclusive]:
We went with 2 DRKs and 2 DNC last time, and none died of Kibosh.. DRKs did few absorb spells though, VIT and STR.

Personally, Im leaning towards the second hypothesis, but again, its all just assumptions.

I was the rdm and whm. The mob had not bud on and players were erased.

Yeah, I've seen quite a few players w/ no debuffs get dropped by a 2-3k Kibosh on D and VD.

The only real defense I've found is to maintain cureskin on any two-handers with hate. One-handers should being using shadows.



Unrelated PSA: under-geared/barely-geared RDM is not viable this month. Please don't try it.