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SMN Battle Mechanics
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SMN battle mechanics
lhova said: » Below is my set What is your acc on that set? Should still be putting out decent numbers but sometimes it really is all about timing (when you start). But having the pet out, locking in the BP set, AFing, assault, AC>BP spam (timing or not) once the go ahead is down is a pretty solid method, and yeah make sure you're using food :D Every time i need to practice anything, i always go to Tchakka.
Yeah I heard the wkr in khamir drifts was great to test on as well, thanks Jdove! I’m going to try tonight to see where I am, he stated he can kill it in about 30 seconds so I’ll see what I can do. And I would assume my acc should be good since that set is almost BIS. Just need to get regal belt and convoker +3 feet.
lhova said: » Just need to get regal ring and convoker +4 feet. Does anyone track how many BPs they’re able to do under Conduit? Just did Kumhau WKR and I was only able to do 7. 6 at 99k and 1 at 78k. Factoring the 2 FC I did once I used AF I was able to get a total of 15 FC with AF Apogee twice Conduit and convert. It took 3 more BP without AF to kill.
My question is that maybe I was waiting to long to spam FC during Conduit so what number of bloodpacts should I target? I was proud that I was able to solo it without trusts but some people have said they’re able to kill it within a minute. Thanks for all the help guys and any information you’re able to give. lhova said: » you know what I meant lol If I were a mind reader I wouldn't have asked.
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lhova said: » Does anyone track how many BPs they’re able to do under Conduit? Just did Kumhau WKR and I was only able to do 7. 6 at 99k and 1 at 78k. Factoring the 2 FC I did once I used AF I was able to get a total of 15 FC with AF Apogee twice Conduit and convert. It took 3 more BP without AF to kill. My question is that maybe I was waiting to long to spam FC during Conduit so what number of bloodpacts should I target? I was proud that I was able to solo it without trusts but some people have said they’re able to kill it within a minute. Thanks for all the help guys and any information you’re able to give. Well, Pergatory said the minimum delay between input commands is 1.25 so dividing 30 with that result theoretically 24 BPs during AF. In theory though because for that you would need 3936 MP which doesnt seems viable even with convert. And any JA or item used during conduit will reduce at least one BP usage. Volt Strike is even more expensive than Flaming Crush. Personally i use a script for conduit, and after around 10 BPs i need to convert depending on Blood Boon procs. And iirc i just can do more 5 or 6 after convert. You really need to be a human machine to ride on that 1,25 timer and use max BPs during conduit. Caerda said: » Think it depends mostly on your timing. The watching for glowing hands deal is bs, latency doesn't care about glowing hands. i guess a good solution to find the right rhythm manually would be to setup some sort of metronome with those 1.25 seconds delay while AC is active. might be a good idea for a little addon. The green glow gives you a baseline, it's dependent on your connection as people have suggested.
If you notice green glow is too late, then you have a slow connection and need to go before the green glow normally happens. If the green glow is too early, you have a fast connection and need to wait longer after the green glow. The point for that suggestion was to give you a starting point, and you can learn your timing by going earlier or later if needed. For most people, the green glow is pretty close to the correct timing. P.S. I'm beginning to question my 1.25s assertion as well. It could be 1.5s. The most BPs I've ever actually counted on a Conduit is 18, not including the two initial ones from Apogee. If ready time is 1.5s, that would put the theoretical max at 20. If it's really possible to hit 24 in 30 seconds, I would think the more skilled SMNs could get into the 20s pretty regularly. lhova said: » what number of bloodpacts should I target? Edit: The effect lag has on this timing really makes it more of an art than a science, because lag is never constant. Sometimes it feels like my animation started a bit late, and so I might hit the next BP a bit earlier than I normally would. Sometimes two come close together, possibly because the first of the two was lagged like in the prior situation, and when that happens I don't try to go even a little bit early on the next one. Once you're practiced, you should be able to hit 15+ consistently.
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Does there exist any kind of video evidence of someone going 15+ blood pacts per AC? Mathematically, if it were 1.5 seconds between BPs then it's impossible to go over 15 given the 30 second duration of AC.
Leviathan.Zelllo said: » Does there exist any kind of video evidence of someone going 15+ blood pacts per AC? Mathematically, if it were 1.5 seconds between BPs then it's impossible to go over 15 given the 30 second duration of AC. i mean, 30 / 1.5 is 20 not 15.. Yeah mistakes and what not. The core question of video evidence or analysis of max bps stands. Is there? Because I think that would put this discussion to bed?
I went out and ran my conduit plugin using mewing lullaby, to prevent any mp issues.
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[18:45:22.191] Cait Sith readies Mewing Lullaby.
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[18:45:26.774] Cait Sith hits the Ashen Tiger for 233 points of damage.
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The Ashen Tiger's TP is reduced to 0.Got 19 mews, last one was post-conduit, so 18 in 30 seconds. Shortest interval is 1.519s, though ms timing isn't really that accurate since the server doesn't send or receive data in real time but only in preset intervals. Given you have to convert if using volt strike, I'd say the optimal amount is 17 VS.
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You're basing your timing off of when you when you input the command client-side or when you got a packet back from the server saying you did the command?
I think the animation is cued off of when the server said you actually did the thing, isn't it? I'm using the time between readies. Plugin inserts a single BP packet into every outgoing transmission, guaranteeing fastest possible execution within client's limitations.
Given all other delays are likely to be relatively equal, the delta between any given point is a pretty solid estimation.
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or, if you want to nitpick the timing method, a BP command every ~350ms resulted in 18 bps within 30s, the c<>s interval means you'll never get exactly 1.5s regardless of skill, and you have a slight delay at the start due to conduit itself activating, so i'm pretty confident in saying 1.5s is the minimum
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Asura.Pergatory said: » not including the two initial ones from Apogee Why apogee > conduit? o.O Here's a video of 18 BPs from the start of AC until just after it wore.
YouTube Video Placeholder And when you do this in practice, you'd wrap it with apogee and revitalizers as appropriate. Jdove said: » Most the time its better to skip apogee and the revits and just go strait to conduit If you need to maximize the damage output of a few summoners, apogee, 2x, revit, apogee, 2x before conduit. this can be extended further with a cor doing random deals before conduit for additional apogee pops and wildcard right after. in time crunch fights like Schah or Teles, or fights where you're overkilling the mob it's probably better to drop the hammer in unison and go straight into conduit spam when the bubbles are down. Consider what the fight can do to stop you and then minimize the *** about time so you get the most damage in the shortest time frame. Leviathan.Zelllo said: » Here's a video of 18 BPs from the start of AC until just after it wore. YouTube Video Placeholder And when you do this in practice, you'd wrap it with apogee and revitalizers as appropriate. Should have chatlog to better view the results. I think there is one BP less than 18. At start i saw 2 cait sith animation and she was at 3. |
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