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 Asura.Frod
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By Asura.Frod 2019-11-30 05:32:31  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Dont give a *** about created gil. Give a *** about 3 quadrillion gil that shouldn't exist in the form of su5.


then you're stupid as ***.

new gil damages the economy across the board. duped medals only affects the small subset of items related to it.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:35:03  
Crour and sparks create new gil daily with thousands of bots.

3 quadrillion gil happened one time and was completely fixable. But wasnt. Largest scale *** up in the history of the game.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:36:51  
Created gil can't be fixed. Medals can. It's not *** rocket science.
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By Asura.Frod 2019-11-30 05:38:03  
Asura.Eiryl said: »

3 quadrillion gil happened one time and was completely fixable. But wasnt.


and not a single one of that 3 'quadrillion' gil is new. it's all items circulating within the current economy. all these new items do is suppress the cost of those items. SU5 weapons and relic armor mats.


brand new gil from sparks farming, once it's released into the economy, causes everything in the game to be more expensive. you botfarming new gil over time causes more damage to a larger part of the in game economy than a dupe exploit on a single item.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:38:36  
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Created gil can't be fixed. Medals can. It's not *** rocket science.
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By Asura.Frod 2019-11-30 05:39:24  
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Yeah I'm really confused as to why eiryl doesn't get this. The existence of medals does result in less Gil taken out of the economy which is kind of the same as creating new Gil but nothing effects the game as much as excessive new Gil being created.


He's trying to ***-rationalize why his botting is 'less' harmful than the exploit. When in brutal truth he causes more damage day by day.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:42:16  
Third time. Sparks cannot be fixed. Ever. I'm impossible to stop. So is everyone else. Can't do a damn thing about it. The best you can hope for is a minor slow down.

Medals can be removed.
 
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By Asura.Frod 2019-11-30 05:44:02  
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Third time. Sparks cannot be fixed. Ever. I'm impossible to stop. So is everyone else. Can't do a damn thing about it.

Medals can be removed.


spark npcable items can be nerfed or removed. there are numerous ways SE could fix it, but hasn't.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:45:43  
And that's the whole problem. Can but won't.

Sparks should absolutely be removed. But can't.

Medals should be removed. And can.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 05:48:30  
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Ok, so drop the price of sparks sellables to near nothing. Fixed.

10m/24 hours isn't great though.

Uh, duh? That's why medals are a bigger problem?

One mule can hold 180 billion gil worth of medals plus 50 billion in su5 gear. It would take 36 spark bits 3 years to make 180 billion gil.

Is there a mule out there with 230 billion in items. No. Are there a thousand mules with 10 billion each. Yes!
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By Pantafernando 2019-11-30 05:58:35  
Remove the spark/accolade and SE loses hundreds of account with chars named adbhbjije.
 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2019-11-30 06:09:26  
4000 new mules have sprung up since the free to play campaign ended. One guess what they have been selling.

How do I know. The database was 93000 and now it's 97000

Spoiler, they ain't spark bots.
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By Shichishito 2019-11-30 06:10:11  
when the bot guy is the only one pissed SE doesn't care to fix the mess you know the community is well past rock bottom.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-30 08:43:50  
Sparks are easy to stop. Create a daily limit for gil acquired by vendoring to NPC, say 3m per account(not character). Gain takes a hit(hardcores will still save prize powders or acheron shields to cap their 3m on off days), but spark botting becomes entirely pointless because your sub costs half as much as the gil is worth.

Alternatively, removing the spoils:crystals objectives would gut the serious RMT running alliances of 18 with automatic redemption. Most of their sparks are coming from crystals. It probably wouldn't drive people like eiryl out, but it'd deter china shops that have other games to target. Don't think many players would care.

A billion medals will lower the price of medals, eventually probably su5, necks, and shards. It will lower the dollar price of gil, a bit. But, the influx of gil to rmt and crafters will drive the price of everything else up, which balances the value of gil and isn't a significant problem to the ingame economy.

Introducing raw gil straight drives the price of everything down, including gil. There's no comparison here.
 
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-30 09:01:03  
I meant in terms of $ since that's what Eiryl is concerned with, probably should've been more clear.

Medals drive down the price of medals, and gil by a bit, but people aren't buying gil to have gil. They're buying gil to finish their latest RME, buy the latest hot item, etc, so as long as that isn't medals or a deritive of medals it ends up being effectively the same because they'll buy more gil at a lower price(and sellers who sell anything besides medals or npc mats will get more gil for what they're selling).
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-30 10:02:23  
DirectX said: »
Shiva.Thorny said: »

Introducing raw gil straight drives the price of everything down, including gil. There's no comparison here.
I don't see how it makes sense that things get cheaper when there is more Gil about. The extreme inflation 11 or 12 years ago was because there was much Gil about?

Also when you could make money selling barone armour it inflated prices?
Weird we agree on something. Ya I don't get how people think putting more gil on the servers hurts the economy it's not like ISK from Eve. Those of us that have been playing from the start of the game have seen it do nothing but go up. Outside of people *** with the market like gadfather and others I've not seen ***get cheap because of more gil.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-30 10:21:31  
you've mentioned gadfather like 3 times, what'd he do that's pissing you off so much
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By Shichishito 2019-11-30 10:27:18  
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you've mentioned gadfather like 3 times, what'd he do that's pissing you off so much
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fu**ing with the market like gadfather
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By Shiva.Thorny 2019-11-30 10:32:45  
fu**ing with the market is really vague, it really upset this guy and inquiring minds want to know
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By fonewear 2019-11-30 10:38:37  
I was there at the Packegate hotel when I saw some flashlights and I called SE with my concern.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-30 10:47:43  
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you've mentioned gadfather like 3 times, what'd he do that's pissing you off so much
I mean I put in every post lol. He ain't done nothing to piss me off just one of the few that *** the markets up on mules.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2019-11-30 10:49:13  
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fu**ing with the market is really vague, it really upset this guy and inquiring minds want to know
Minds or just you? Not talking about the market you work in btw dont worry.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2019-11-30 11:08:43  
24 pages of the same people arguing with this self-righteous *** lol, happy Thanksgiving boys
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By fonewear 2019-11-30 11:09:58  
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24 pages of the same people arguing with this self-righteous *** lol, happy Thanksgiving boys

Trust me I'm a virtual economist or something.
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By Asura.Suteru 2019-11-30 12:06:45  
Shiva.Thorny said: »
Introducing raw gil straight drives the price of everything down, including gil. There's no comparison here.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read, and I once had an economics teacher who couldn't pronounce "entrepreneur."

Gil prices go down, the price of everything else goes up because people have more gil to waste.
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