That Impeachment Thing....

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By Viciouss 2019-12-18 14:42:18  
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That quote messed up, its supposed to say Saevel's name, oh well. Also, just ignore Slore. He doesn't know anything.

Shiva.Zerowone said: »

Where is the promised infrastructure? A health care plan? The job training? The conversion to renewable sources of energy? The return of the very industries that the tax breaks were supposed to lure back?

Those things were never going to happen, Trump doesn't have the IQ to even propose an infrastructure or health care plan. The most he was ever going to accomplish was tax cuts for his income block.

Again like I said with your idiotic statements. Seriously you're pathetic and feel free to spam report that like ya did to Rav's posts.

Just out of curiosity, do you mean Nausi or did something go down that I wasn't aware of?

Nothing happened, Saev and Slore are crying about what they think is happening on this site.
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By Viciouss 2019-12-18 14:42:41  
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How can you be pro immigration if you believe a higher populations results in less efficient public spending and a lower quality of life?

What the ***. At least Leftists in England pretend or believe that QoL gets better when you take in Third World migrants en masse.

Who took that stance?
 
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-12-18 15:12:49  
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You can be pro immigration and acknowledge there are issues with the increasing population. Also, immigration doesn't mean the population increases dramatically, it depends on other things like birth rates.

Careful there your almost sounding like a deplorable Nazi conservative.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-12-18 15:15:06  
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Don't you value your quality of life more than the warm fuzzy feeling that you get by being pro immigration?

Not when they're importing people who vote the same way that they do. If it was future Republicans that were spilling across the border, Obama would have built the wall already.
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:30:03  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Yes as per the law, a contractor is required to provide literally everything that their employees need to do the job adequately and while following OSHA/Other regulatory. But they do not. They only provide bare minimums and if you pull out a law book on them, you’ll immediately or very quickly be laid off. So then you might decide to take them to court? They’ll dance around you with delays and extensions indefinitely while you eat up court costs and what’s more? You’ll be labeled as a troublemaker by the neighboring contractors and promptly black-balled. You see Seaval, your family may very well have a business but it’s painfully obvious that it’s not construction.

So let’s list the expenses that are absolutely necessary that the contractors will not provide that we were able to simply write off until recently.

FR Rated Long Sleeve shirts, expensive stuff. We buy a new set each season because they wear down. Old sets are donated. Can’t do that anymore.

FR Rated Pants, expensive stuff. We buy a new set each season because they wear down. Old sets are donated. Can’t do that anymore.

Welding Gloves, Specifically MIG Gloves. Not as expensive as FR but not exactly cheap. Every contractor provides gloves but very few of them provide welding gloves. And I’m a welder so “bring your own gloves”. We can’t claim that either.

Knee pads. These are actually not required by OSHA to be provided so guess I either have to just eat that or let my knees get *** up right?

Respirators because Silica and Hexavalent Chrome are a thing but the only respirators the contractors usually provide are cheap little dust masks that don’t actually provide any protection. I’m working at the the PA Cracker Plant for Bechtel, the largest contractor in the world and they have no respiratory protection for P-91 or Stainless pipe welding. Damn... you business owners sure are a piece of work huh.

My vehicle is mandatory for transportation to and from work. And the locations vary drastically so a cute little “10 minute commute” does not exist for us. The law requires that a company vehicle be provided in these situations and a handsome tax break is offered in compensation but they really only give that to the Superintendents and General Foreman. Do you know what a Foreman is? Probably too clandestine for you I imagine. It’s what you would refer to as a Manager.

SO! Mileage, and vehicular expenses can now only be claimed by a registered business. I’m a subcontractor so that doesn’t apply to me huh... damn.. Engine repair sure is expensive..

Now let’s get into travel expenses. Companies *sometimes* offer a PerDiem but it’s usually under par of the state-regulated PerDiem rates unless they are hurting for workers BAD, and only then will they hike it up a bit.

So there’s lodging, tolls, Vehicular problems again but even more so because you are now driving several hundred miles in one shot... Yeah your car loves that.

I’m sure even you can see where I’m going with this; we have to come out of pocket A LOT and are offered nothing in compensation when any business can claim almost anything under the sun. It’s ridiculous.

Oh and no, I’ve been through three CPAs, I do not play around with my money. And yes, ask around, go spark up a conversation with a Pipefitter or Boilermaker or Electrician and ask them about working on a Sunday (Double Time virtually everywhere) they’ll immediately complain about their taxes being jumped to nearly 50% for that check. Or would you prefer to see my paystub?

But go ahead, keep making a fool of yourself. Stupid ***.

That's a cool story. Did you have it published ?
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:31:43  
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How can you be pro immigration if you believe a higher populations results in less efficient public spending and a lower quality of life?

What the ***. At least Leftists in England pretend or believe that QoL gets better when you take in Third World migrants en masse.

Hate to break it to you but there is a reason we are American we don't like you British sons of *** !
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:32:47  
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I agree with that so hopefully he gets booted out and we get someone that’ll give us back our 1040E. My taxes have increased dramatically now that my ability to write off work expenses have been all but obliterated. Only allowed the lowest of minimums now and anyone that works industry or has travel expenses or vehicle maintenance due to work, or tools, or clothing/PPE, it’s ludicrous.

But magically, the industrial world is invisible even though it generates $1.3T annually net worth. That office building you cube-rats work in? Us. That high-rise building you work in? Us. Oh you like power? It’s awful convenient that we build your power plants huh? As knowledgeable as you all appear to be about the political agenda, why is this not being talked about more? Trump did that. All the rest of the smoke and mirrors *** I don’t care about but he directly increased my taxes %15 because now that I can’t claim that I’m back to getting *** RAW every paycheck. God help me if I work Double-Time, I lose almost %50.

So for me, whoever comes up willing to fix that? He/She/Identifies as It will have my vote and several hundred thousand along with it. That’s all I want to say.

In all the arguing back and forth over impeachment and Trump in general there is a rigidity to the response of the Republican supporters of the POTUS.

I saw it last week when Jim Jordan stood up and said "You don't like us, you don't like "Fly Over Country", you don't like our values, you have never accepted the Electoral College and the election of Donald Trump.'

The other night LSU quarterback Joe Burrow won the Heisman Trophy, a well deserved honor, but he chose to point out the number of hungry people in his community of Ohio, people left behind who are hurting, people lined up at the soup kitchen. People who have seen jobs and hope disappear, seen the quality of their lives and their life span drop.

It is in every sense tragic. The influx of an opioid crisis only adds to the immensity of the situation. But what people fail to see is who profits from this new economic norm...when Starbucks, Apple and Amazon pay zero taxes under the Trump Tax Cuts.

Where is the promised infrastructure? A health care plan? The job training? The conversion to renewable sources of energy? The return of the very industries that the tax breaks were supposed to lure back?

People quickly forget that the Harley plant and others that Trump "”saved" have closed down and their labor outsourced.

The wealthy continue to gain wealth, it's the new Gilded Age. Ohioans are left with an economy that has bypassed them and cling to G-d, patriotism and a dislike of socialism because that is what is fed to them by the likes Jim Jordan and Donald Trump. It is important to try and understand the phenomena that is spreading in America...homelessness, addiction, early death and the despair of poverty.

The people in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania live this and thus enough voted for Donald Trump to get him elected. They have been conned, just like all the people in the New York business world were conned. If Democrats and Republicans moving forward, want to win the White House they have to avoid avoiding this reality. We need to change the focus of this society from the "I got mine" mentality to the utilitarian ideal of doing the most good for the most people.

Also a good story however this won't help the Democrats get elected.

Maybe if you added some more flavor to it though !
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:38:01  
I thought story time was just getting started.

I wanted to post a long boring story that has nothing to do with impeachment.


It's cold outside and that is why I'm for impeaching Donald Trump.

This son of a *** don't even believe in climate change.

Also Trump should be impeached cause some *** on TV told me so !

That is good enough for me.
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:40:50  
Odin.Slore said: »
None of which you listed has anything to do with Trump, it just sounds like you work for a shitty company.

Your name calling is another plus to convince people to your cause.

I heard Trump invented Tax Laws though...before Trump taxes were magical.
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:42:11  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Odin.Slore said: »
None of which you listed has anything to do with Trump, it just sounds like you work for a shitty company.

Your name calling is another plus to convince people to your cause.

Last page I complained about Trump repealing the 1040E. Seavel then proceeded to say that my complaints were *** so I then proceeded to rip his *** about it. All caught up now?
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 15:45:31  
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Denmark, Finland and Norway have high tax rates and I'm pretty sure they have better QoL than Americans.

You do realize that 300 million people versus the population of those countries....may have something to do with it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-12-18 15:54:33  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
What are you on about? Do you not understand how this works? You get a call out for a job, you go work the job and when the job is done the contractor lays you off. It’s the nature of the trades and I’m not complaining about that, it is what it is. What I’m complaining about is that I’m not offered the same compensations for the same expenses as the businesses. Period
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Also, I’m Union so my medical, pension, dental, retirement, etc are covered. I’m just sick of having mandatory business expenses but not getting the same breaks as the business owners, dafuq is that?
These both can not be true....
Actually they can be.

You really do not understand how trades work.
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By Viciouss 2019-12-18 16:47:00  
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Denmark, Finland and Norway have high tax rates and I'm pretty sure they have better QoL than Americans.

You do realize that 300 million people versus the population of those countries....may have something to do with it.

Yea, I already pointed that out.
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By Viciouss 2019-12-18 17:02:18  
Just a few more hours until Trump gets officially impeached!
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-12-18 17:24:34  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
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What are you on about? Do you not understand how this works? You get a call out for a job, you go work the job and when the job is done the contractor lays you off. It’s the nature of the trades and I’m not complaining about that, it is what it is. What I’m complaining about is that I’m not offered the same compensations for the same expenses as the businesses. Period
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Also, I’m Union so my medical, pension, dental, retirement, etc are covered. I’m just sick of having mandatory business expenses but not getting the same breaks as the business owners, dafuq is that?
These both can not be true....
Actually they can be.

You really do not understand how trades work.

*Cough*

Union

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Contractor

*Cough*

Then his claim about suffering under "business expenses" even though the standard deduction doubled. He would have to be the highest paid yet poorly worked repair man in the USA to get anywhere close to that deduction, or he was using it to cheat on taxes. Seeing how badly his story smells I bet on the later. Numbers don't lie and we can smell *** miles away.
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By Asura.Saevel 2019-12-18 17:34:00  
fonewear said: »
DirectX said: »
Denmark, Finland and Norway have high tax rates and I'm pretty sure they have better QoL than Americans.

You do realize that 300 million people versus the population of those countries....may have something to do with it.

Funny thing, we got several professional class folks working with us that are from there, and they don't want to go back. In most of those Nordic nations there are two classes of people, the stupid wealthy and the poor, no middle ground. Salary means nothing as once you get past what would be considered low middle class income there isn't much further you can go. Making more just has the government taking an even greater chunk of it so you never really make any progress on the ladder of life. The wealthy on the other hand have all their money in government supported business's or if their really super wealthy then international business's. Nobody who isn't part of the super wealthy has the connections to go the business route.

Now the bottom rung isn't too bad, you will live a decent life with modest living. You'll never go hungry but you'll never really have much luxury either. And most importantly there is absolutely nothing you can do to change this.

Now that's with a nation that doesn't have a huge part of it's population as an under-performing welfare leech that specializes in producing criminals. Insert a huge population of poor unskilled workers who are unable to contribute to society other then creating criminals and you get police no-go zones where police won't go.



Forced "diversity" is a huge failure, you can't force a population to assimilate that doesn't want to assimilate.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2019-12-18 17:42:47  
Asura.Saevel said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
What are you on about? Do you not understand how this works? You get a call out for a job, you go work the job and when the job is done the contractor lays you off. It’s the nature of the trades and I’m not complaining about that, it is what it is. What I’m complaining about is that I’m not offered the same compensations for the same expenses as the businesses. Period
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Also, I’m Union so my medical, pension, dental, retirement, etc are covered. I’m just sick of having mandatory business expenses but not getting the same breaks as the business owners, dafuq is that?
These both can not be true....
Actually they can be.

You really do not understand how trades work.

*Cough*

Union

*Cough*

Contractor

*Cough*

Then his claim about suffering under "business expenses" even though the standard deduction doubled. He would have to be the highest paid yet poorly worked repair man in the USA to get anywhere close to that deduction, or he was using it to cheat on taxes. Seeing how badly his story smells I bet on the later. Numbers don't lie and we can smell *** miles away.

What you never heard of AFL-CIO?

All carpenters belong to the “Carpenters Union”. All plasterers belong to the plasterers’ Union. All painters belong to a painters union. You can be union and be a contractor. This is nothing new or esoteric.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-12-18 18:05:23  
Who’s Really in Charge of the Senate Impeachment Trial?
Mitch McConnell thinks he’s calling the shots. He’s wrong.

Slate

Interesting article.
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Asura.Saevel said: »

saw this map and immediately thought of the movie: Midsommar

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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2019-12-18 18:13:49  
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Just a few more hours until Trump gets officially impeached!

IMPESACH IMPEBACH NOTABOVETHELAW IMPHEEEPUTO!
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 18:36:27  
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Just a few more hours until Trump gets officially impeached!

You probably have an impeachment fetish. The idea of a house procedural vote turns you on. Seek help !
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By fonewear 2019-12-18 18:39:59  
No one benefits from this. Certainly not me the average joe six pack.

That just wants to drink beer and play video games !

Who does it benefit the people in Congress. That's about it. They aren't defending the Constitution. They are trying to save their job.

It's a political circus about self perseverance not honor or duty or other fluff.

These aren't patriots they are over paid lawyers living off of tax dollars.
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