That Impeachment Thing....

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 Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-06 17:40:01  
Asura.Saevel said: »
So looks like Dems are losing again, Senate looking to adopt rules that will let them dismiss the impeachment entirely if the House doesn't bring it to them.

Hmmm ... Senate dismissing impeachment, wasn't there someone here who said they could do that.
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Uh actually, the Senate is not looking to adopt those rules, one Senator has suggested it and its dead in the water.
Takes 2/3 of the senate to do that, like 67 votes. Do you actually think Moscow Mitch can get 14 dems to vote for that?

Only takes 4 republicans defecting to call witnesses in the senate trial. While its way more likely that 4 republicans will defect than 14 dems, I don't think that will happen either.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-06 17:41:15  
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-06 17:44:31  
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Asura.Saevel said: »
So looks like Dems are losing again, Senate looking to adopt rules that will let them dismiss the impeachment entirely if the House doesn't bring it to them.

Hmmm ... Senate dismissing impeachment, wasn't there someone here who said they could do that.
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Uh actually, the Senate is not looking to adopt those rules, one Senator has suggested it and its dead in the water.
Takes 2/3 of the senate to do that, like 67 votes. Do you actually think Moscow Mitch can get 14 dems to vote for that?

Only takes 4 republicans defecting to call witnesses in the senate trial. While its way more likely that 4 republicans will defect than 14 dems, I don't think that will happen either.

It takes 51 votes now for a rules change, or did you forget "The Nuclear Option". It would also take 51 votes to dismiss it due to lack of prosecution as that's not a trial but an administrative ruling. Conviction in the Senate is the only part that takes 2/3rd majority. I forgive you for thinking otherwise though, you can't help yourselves but to taken whatever CNN says as gospel.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-01-06 17:45:14  
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Uh actually, the Senate is not looking to adopt those rules, one Senator has suggested it and its dead in the water.

Senate push to dismiss impeachment

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Hawley joined with co-sponsors Sens. Rick Scott of Florida; Mike Braun of Indiana; Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee; Ted Cruz of Texas; Steve Daines of Montana; John Barrasso of Wyoming; Tom Cotton of Arkansas; Joni Ernst of Iowa; David Perdue of Georgia; and Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-01-06 17:46:16  
Little more than one and they are drawing it up now... and you complain about others not knowing what they are talking about?
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-06 17:49:14  
Senators

Josh Hawley of Missouri
Rick Scott of Florida
Mike Braun of Indiana
Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee
Ted Cruz of Texas
Steve Daines of Montana
John Barrasso of Wyoming
Tom Cotton of Arkansas
Joni Ernst of Iowa
David Perdue of Georgia
Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.

Yeah totally "one senators and dead already".

Hey it's the Liberal "Reality Distortion Bubble" we keep hearing about at work. CNN say's it's dead, so it must absolutely be dead. Reminds me of the popular Soviet saying "The future is known. It’s the past that keeps changing."
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-06 17:54:55  
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Little more than one and they are drawing it up now... and you complain about others not knowing what they are talking about?

Yep it's being written now, will be proposed as a rule change, which will get approved. Then they will request a "motion to dismiss due to lack of prosecution", which is an administrative procedure that's common in law. This is a real thing, unlike everything that CNN pedals.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/l/lack-of-prosecution-lop/

Example of a Motion to Dismiss for LoP from .. wait for it .... California! So they can't claim it's "biased alt-right"

https://saclaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/sbs-motion-for-mandatory-dismissal-motion.rtf

Example ruling for a Motion to Dismiss for LoP in .. Massachusetts, another liberal bastion.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-mad-1_10-cv-11703/pdf/USCOURTS-mad-1_10-cv-11703-2.pdf
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By Viciouss 2020-01-06 17:58:17  
Even if it picks up some support, it's long *** way from getting 51 votes lol. This is a fun fantasy to watch you guys salivate over though.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-06 18:01:33  
https://civil.sog.unc.edu/the-harshest-of-remedies-dismissal-for-failure-to-prosecute/

Yep totally an alt-right fantasy right...

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Although the rule specifies that “a defendant may move”, our courts have made clear that a judge may also order the dismissal on his or her own motion. Perkins v. Perkins, 88 N.C. App. 568 (1988); Blackwelder Furn. Co. v. Harris, 75 N.C. App. 625 (1985). Unless the court specifies otherwise, a dismissal under this rule is an adjudication on the merits—that is, it’s a dismissal with prejudice. Obviously this is a big deal, and the courts have classified this type of dismissal as “the harshest of remedies” not to be “imposed lightly.” Page v. Mandel, 154 N.C. App. 94 (2002).

Actual rules that a Judge can dismiss a case for failure to prosecute.

https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/BySection/Chapter_1A/GS_1A-1,_Rule_41.pdf

Honestly I don't think they'll get that far, once the rules pass the Senate, Peloski will submit her articles as the other two options, retracting them or having them dismissed, are even worse for her.

As the Senate is the Judge and Jury for impeachments, with oversight from the Chief Justice, there is plenty of strong legal arguments for this action, with absolutely no arguments against. All the current rules were written with the assumption that the House would immediately submit articles of impeachment after approval.
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By Viciouss 2020-01-06 18:05:53  
Uh yep, its a fantasy. No rules are even close to being passed in the Senate.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-06 18:52:28  
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Time for a reality check on what it would take to change the rules of impeachment so that the Senate could just toss the articles they do not currently have in the trash. Rachael Bade reports in the Washington Post that "It would take 60 votes to pass a resolution on impeachment outside a trial and 67 votes to change the impeachment rules." Doing some back of the napkin math here, if you take the 53 Republicans in the Senate and add all the Democratic senators who would agree to such radical changes for the sole purpose of kneecapping Nancy Pelosi, the numerical solution you get is *** OFF.

To be clear, we are talking about the Senate's formal rules for impeachment, which have been in place in their current form since 1986. That's different from the specific, yet-to-be-agreed-upon rules for this impeachment trial ...
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By Odin.Slore 2020-01-06 19:47:01  
The Nuclear Option Would like to say Hello

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This procedure uses Rule XX to allow the Senate to decide any issue by simple majority vote, regardless of Rule XXII which requires the consent of 60 senators (out of 100) to end a filibuster for legislation and 67 for amending a Senate rule. The term "nuclear option" is an analogy to nuclear weapons being the most extreme option in warfare.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-01-06 19:48:05  
You really gotta read better ***than wonkette and HuffPo Chanti.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-06 21:04:34  
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You really gotta read better ***than wonkette and HuffPo Chanti.

It the Liberal Reality Distortion Bubble, if they leave, then harsh reality would crush their hopes and dreams. I even stated the the Nuclear Option had become a thing now since. The Democrats started using it during Obama and the Republicans started using it afterward.

Constitutionally speaking it only requires a simple majority vote in both houses as well as the Presidents signature. The whole 60/67 thing was something each chamber made up as precedent to keep the peace and spirit of compromise between the parties.

This was completely shattered when liberals insisted on absolute reform their way or nothing else, and conservatives told them to *** off and that the Constitution exists. Liberals responded that the Constitution is just some papers written by old white men centuries ago and isn't relevant anymore. And thus the death match between the two parties began because there can be no compromise on such an issue. Either the Constitution is the absolute governing document of the United States of America or it's not and we need to form a new country named the United Peoples Democratic Republic. If the US Constitution is this fuzzy distant irrelevant document, then the USA does not exist.

The Preamble says it all.

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-07 18:54:01  
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You really gotta read better ***than wonkette and HuffPo Chanti.
HuffPo does not go into the depth on their articles that Wonkette does. They don't have richard jokes either.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-01-10 13:49:15  
I for one, welcome our new Impeachment overlords.
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-10 15:33:18  
So looks like Nancy Pelosi blinked and is gonna send the articles next week.

Democrats: 0
President trump: over 9000
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-01-10 15:47:00  
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President trump: over 9000
THAT NUMBER IS A LIE! THERE ARENT THAT MANY REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS!!! REEEE!

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By Valefor.Endoq 2020-01-13 01:44:39  
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Basically, he got impeached for trolling the degenocrats.
Wrong.

Read the articles of impeachment. He got impeached because he is more crooked than Nixon.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-14 20:25:42  

Intel Committee Releases Handwritten Note On Trump’s Ukraine Plans
The House panel got a “trove of documents” from Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani, showing Trump’s efforts to gain Ukraine’s help with the election.

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They were the first I found that posted actual documents.
 
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By Odin.Slore 2020-01-15 04:32:29  


Chanti..... we have discussed this before about failed sources. This has Trumps name nowhere on it. The handwritten notes were what Lev Parnas hoped to gain. There is nothing written by Trump or Giuliani. This is some prime clickbait. Even buzzfeed doesn't mention Trump as in on this. House Democrats release new documents from indicted Giuliani associate. What do you think the chances are that this rando guy would keep scribbled notes on a hotel notepad to turn over to congress? Yeah ok "part of a deal."

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Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-born U.S. citizen, was indicted on campaign finance charges along with another associate in October at the height of the House impeachment inquiry. He soon offered to cooperate with congressional investigators and recently received permission from a judge to hand over his records to the House Intelligence Committee.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-15 10:39:49  
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If that hand written note is real then that is serious business. In any functioning democracy that person would be removed from their position.
I would offer the proposition that neither of our countries have a fully functioning democracy.
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-01-15 10:43:56  
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Impeachment is meaningless, Democrats control the house and so since they will vote yes on any impeachment no matter what it's about it's a pure partisan impeachment..

If it is so meaningless, why is the Right all up in arms and foaming at the mouth over it? It's a stain on a president's reputation that will never go away. Trump has joined the ranks of Jackson, Intern Clinton, and *almost* Watergate Nixon.

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Democrats are being trash and in time they will be ashamed at how they abused the systems your nation has in place out of anger of losing an election.

The democrats are following a precedent set by the GOP during the Clinton hearings. The only shame is with Trump, for withholding congressional approved aid to the Ukraine until he received dirt on a political opponent.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-01-15 10:44:14  
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DirectX said: »
If that hand written note is real then that is serious business. In any functioning democracy that person would be removed from their position.
I would offer the proposition that neither of our countries have a fully functioning democracy.
I would say both working as intended though, especially when compared to other so called Democracies....

So Nancy had a hearing and appointed the Impeachment Managers. No surprise in her choices.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2020-01-15 10:45:35  
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kireek said: »
Impeachment is meaningless, Democrats control the house and so since they will vote yes on any impeachment no matter what it's about it's a pure partisan impeachment..

If it is so meaningless, why is the Right all up in arms and foaming at the mouth over it? It's a stain on a president's reputation that will never go away. Trump has joined the ranks of Jackson, Intern Clinton, and *almost* Watergate Nixon.
Do you mean Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton?
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