That Impeachment Thing....

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 Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 16:09:06  
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No. That's what they're trying to surmise though. It doesn't matter if the question stated that trump himself was the whistleblower, it still would be against the law to read.

And the senators purposely trying to circumvent that law should be imprisoned.

Um, the word “whistleblower” was not found anywhere in that question. You’re actually doing more to out the whistleblower by NOT addressing the question because you’re basically admitting who it is just by your unwillingness to even say the name out loud.

“Is Eric Ciaramella the whistleblower?”
“I cannot out the whistleblower.”
This response does not out the whistleblower

“Was Eric Ciaramella on the plot to impeach the President?”
“I cannot out the whistleblower.”
This response outs the whistleblower completely.

Or simply as Republican and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court you're aware of what name is being floated around and you arent even playing that dumb ***because you understand federal laws.

Yeah, sure, that’s it. Better make sure to not allow questions that involve someone who isn’t the real whistleblower just because people think he’s the whistleblower even though the actual question doesn’t even use the word “whistleblower”. That makes perfect sense.

Good thing you're not the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2020-01-30 16:19:39  

L'état, c'est moi defense is a bold move Cotton.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-01-30 16:25:40  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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No. That's what they're trying to surmise though. It doesn't matter if the question stated that trump himself was the whistleblower, it still would be against the law to read.

And the senators purposely trying to circumvent that law should be imprisoned.

Um, the word “whistleblower” was not found anywhere in that question. You’re actually doing more to out the whistleblower by NOT addressing the question because you’re basically admitting who it is just by your unwillingness to even say the name out loud.

“Is Eric Ciaramella the whistleblower?”
“I cannot out the whistleblower.”
This response does not out the whistleblower

“Was Eric Ciaramella on the plot to impeach the President?”
“I cannot out the whistleblower.”
This response outs the whistleblower completely.

Or simply as Republican and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court you're aware of what name is being floated around and you arent even playing that dumb ***because you understand federal laws.

Yeah, sure, that’s it. Better make sure to not allow questions that involve someone who isn’t the real whistleblower just because people think he’s the whistleblower even though the actual question doesn’t even use the word “whistleblower”. That makes perfect sense.

Good thing you're not the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

Oh hey, that makes two of us.

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By Viciouss 2020-01-30 17:41:48  
Rand Paul I guess threw such a temper tantrum that he decided to break the Senate rules and leave the chamber during proceedings to hold a press conference so he could out the whistleblower there. Great job accomplishing nothing. I'm sure he is still trying to figure out a way to get the whistleblowers name entered into the record but it seems like the Chief Justice has a red line.
 
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-01-30 18:47:49  
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Who is the snitch?
They think it’s name repeated multiple times in my previous post with all the quotes.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 18:53:46  
tl;dr Eric Ciaramella.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 19:52:53  
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Who is he?

A CIA guy who's a holdover from the Obama administration. According to some coworkers, he was overheard in 2017 plotting how to get Trump removed from office. Now he's the unofficial whistleblower that nobody is allowed to question nor mention by name even though practically everyone in the government knows he did it.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-01-30 20:04:59  
Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life.

Glad you could resolve that for the group.
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By fonewear 2020-01-30 20:18:50  
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life.

Glad you could resolve that for the group.
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By fonewear 2020-01-30 20:19:53  
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life.

Glad you could resolve that for the group.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 20:21:40  
He asked and I responded. But yeah, shame on me for sharing widely-known information on an old video game website with a handful of people in a politics forum that can't even be seen from the main page by visitors. In the extremely unlikely chance that someone decides to attack him based on my post then the blood will be on my hands for sure.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-01-30 20:28:06  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Who is he?
A CIA guy who's a holdover from the Obama administration. According to some coworkers, he was overheard in 2017 plotting how to get Trump removed from office. Now he's the unofficial whistleblower that nobody is allowed to question nor mention by name even though practically everyone in the government knows he did it.
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life....
He is right Rav.
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By fonewear 2020-01-30 20:30:47  
Won't someone please think of the whistleblower !
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By Asura.Saevel 2020-01-30 20:39:25  
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life.

Glad you could resolve that for the group.

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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 21:01:29  
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DirectX said: »
Who is he?
A CIA guy who's a holdover from the Obama administration. According to some coworkers, he was overheard in 2017 plotting how to get Trump removed from office. Now he's the unofficial whistleblower that nobody is allowed to question nor mention by name even though practically everyone in the government knows he did it.
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life....
He is right Rav.

He's overreacting and making false equivalence. I never said that "hearsay" would be enough to convict him of anything. Also, it's not my fault that a few idiots in government outed Ciaramella by freaking out whenever his name was brought up, forcing anyone with half a brain to make the conclusion that it was him.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-01-30 21:16:12  
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Isn’t that hearsay? Something something about hearsay not being enough when it comes to the President but A-Ok when possibly endangering someone’s life.

Glad you could resolve that for the group.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2020-01-30 21:18:53  
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He's overreacting and making false equivalence.

Those are some big words to say he was making a joke and using my lack of self awareness against me.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-01-30 21:21:29  
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Also why would it endanger his life? Is this more veiled threats of violence from the far right if their glorious leader gets removed?

 
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-01-30 21:27:24  
That's -exactly- what it is. The US pretends to be many things, but it does all the same ***that they abhor.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 21:30:25  
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If something is hearsay, it is hearsay, you cannot rationally dismiss it on one side of the argument but then make statements which you are (in your use of tone) giving credence to on the other. Either it is all weightless, or both has weight.

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What are you guys smoking?

All recent arguments concerning hearsay have been relative to the legal definition of the term. If being a whistleblower was a crime, then I would back up the notion that you would need to be able to prove that he was the whistleblower beyond a reasonable doubt, using only what was admissible as evidence by a judge. Hearsay would likely not clear that high bar, just as it's not going to clear the bar to convict Trump.

This is a video game forum, not a courtroom. I can say that it's pretty obvious that Ciaramella is the whistleblower based on the reactions of certain government officials. It's just pointing out the obvious. You're free to disagree with me, but at least try to recognize the difference between a courtroom and a public forum.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-01-30 21:30:54  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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He's overreacting and making false equivalence.

Those are some big words to say he was making a joke and using my lack of self awareness against me.

If that's true, you suck at both.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2020-01-30 21:31:57  
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If being a whistleblower was a crime,
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What are you guys smoking?

I'll have some of whatever you're having.
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