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By Viciouss 2020-02-06 18:05:38  
Wouldn't bet on it, he has already killed two different bills on the issue, one of which passed the House a few weeks ago. while putting forward zero ideas himself.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-02-06 18:23:36  
Have you read the bill dems passed?

Only 25 drugs a year can be negotiated the first year and then 50 after that... Who gets to decide for your family which ones are in and which ones are out?

Decisions are put solely on the House and Human Services Director. One person gets to decide something as major as this? I do not care republican or democrat that is a lot of decision power for one person.

The bill leaves out the uninsured people from getting these prices that are negotiated so that demographic is out.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-06 18:33:47  
Have you read Trump's proposal? Oh wait, he hasn't submitted any ideas at all. He is terrible on health care.

The numbers in the Dem bill can be negotiated of course, thats how legislation works. Also, the HHS director already has a lot of power, this fits right into their job description. The country is waiting on the Republicans.
 
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By Ragnarok.Ozment 2020-02-06 19:37:01  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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Mitt is an evil rich Republican flip-flopper who is so fake that he would pander to literally anyone to get a vote.

Wait, what’s that? He voted to convict Trump?

Mitt is a hero to the American people. He is a sincere man that is true to his convictions, putting virtue above politics every step of the way.

Your side should really focus on consistency. Support him or give him the boot. Going back and forth seems disingenuous.

Lol, yeah, it’s only our side that is inconsistent when it comes to Romney. Maybe you weren’t alive in 2012, so go ask your mom.

I can't, she's dead.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-02-06 19:44:19  
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Remember Trump isn't a Republican nor a Conservative, if anything his political views were rather closer to a classical liberal back in the 90's. Romney's had it out for Trump since long before he ran for President, lets not forget the stuff Mitt was saying / doing during the Republican primary.
His economics are pure 1920s republican.

His sucking up to the religious right is last 50 years republican.

Let us not forget that to much of the religious right Mormons aren't christian and they avoided him in droves.

He was a NY democrat in the 90s, he has evolved since.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-06 19:49:40  
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What's your problem Vic? Don't you want America to be with Afghanistan and Iraq as one of the few countries without free healthcare?

Go ahead and continue to talk trash while your countrymen are living longer lives thanks to medicines that we invented.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2020-02-07 09:49:30  
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BTW stating facts isn't trash talking, if it doesn't embarass you that you're grouped with Afghanistan and Iraq (the countries you hate and destroy) rather than wealthy and developed nations then that is your choice.
No. Its the choice of insurance CEOs and the politicians in their pockets.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 09:52:31  
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I'll enjoy my average longer life than Americans due to our healthcare system. Thx!

Yeah, that must be it. I’m sure glad that the population, diet, economic structure, and everything else that contributes to life expectancy is exactly the same in both the US and the UK so that you can make such an oversimplified apples to apples comparison and feel confident in it. You sure got me. I guess I better go cry into all this extra money that I’m not paying in taxes to fund my fellow Americans’ unhealthy lifestyles.
 
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 11:12:31  
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I'll enjoy my average longer life than Americans due to our healthcare system. Thx!

Yeah, that must be it. I’m sure glad that the population, diet, economic structure, and everything else that contributes to life expectancy is exactly the same in both the US and the UK so that you can make such an oversimplified apples to apples comparison and feel confident in it. You sure got me. I guess I better go cry into all this extra money that I’m not paying in taxes to fund my fellow Americans’ unhealthy lifestyles.
>>When Ravael doesn't even comprehend that the tax money that goes to healthcare doesn't only pay for medicines, operations and doctors but also education and information and policy.

Cool story bro.
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By Shiva.Zerowone 2020-02-07 12:03:12  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
DirectX said: »
BTW stating facts isn't trash talking, if it doesn't embarass you that you're grouped with Afghanistan and Iraq (the countries you hate and destroy) rather than wealthy and developed nations then that is your choice.
No. Its the choice of insurance CEOs and the politicians in their pockets.

But they're doing a good job convincing the masses otherwise.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 12:18:34  
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So a question: If you're an Democrat, do you love your political party more than your country?

I only ask because even if you hate Trump you have to accept he is doing an amazing job as president, your economy is booming, tax cuts for everyone that pays them, unemployment figures are the lowest for 50 years for all and there is a lot more.

You may not like him, but if you love your country more than your political party you have to accept he is doing a good job and making almost all of your fellow Americans lives better. I think I even saw he has a new tax cut coming for the middle class soon too.

Well, that’s why so many Democrats are trying to convince themselves and everyone else that things are worse than they actually are. Despite all of the indicators that suggest otherwise, the economy is actually bad and everyone is suffering.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-07 12:19:02  
The economy slowed down last year because of Trump doing a terrible job, so there goes your theory.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 12:25:05  
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The economy slowed down last year because of Trump doing a terrible job, so there goes your theory.

Exhibit A. Thanks, Vic!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 12:31:39  
Aaaaaaand Trump just won his emoluments lawsuit.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-07 12:50:12  
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The economy slowed down last year because of Trump doing a terrible job, so there goes your theory.

Exhibit A. Thanks, Vic!

Debunking you guys is always easy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 13:05:33  
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Viciouss said: »
The economy slowed down last year because of Trump doing a terrible job, so there goes your theory.

Exhibit A. Thanks, Vic!

Debunking you guys is always easy.

If “debunking” means saying, “nuh uh”, then sure.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-07 13:09:10  
Good thing that's not what happened at all. Pretending the economy is booming doesn't make it so. Ignoring an economic slowdown doesn't mean it's not happening.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 13:11:49  
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Good thing that's not what happened at all. Pretending the economy is booming doesn't make it so. Ignoring an economic slowdown doesn't mean it's not happening.

Don’t worry, Vic. I am totally taking your word for it.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-07 13:34:38  
Or just the actual numbers, that would work too.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 13:53:24  
I’m sure glad that the entire state of the economy can only be interpreted by a few numbers that you refuse to cite. It makes having an argument so much more meaningful.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-02-07 14:00:13  
Vic feels if it's not record setting every quarter then it is a decline of doom..


for 2019 so far:

GDP up
personal wealth up
stock market up
record unemployment
fair trade deals with major countries
401ks producing record profits

Sure some markers did not set records but most everything still posted gains. I know you will never give credit where it is due.

btw my wife's 401k and my 401k are rocking. Haven't got final report but im eyeballing it to be about 67ish% or so.
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By Viciouss 2020-02-07 14:09:32  
Correction Slore - GDP down. Stock Market Flat. Unemployment flat. Trump inherited a strong economy and he has kept it from achieving better numbers.
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By Odin.Slore 2020-02-07 14:18:01  
The dow just hit a new record yesterday man what are you talking about?

GDP up 3.5% in third quarter..
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China just announced it is slashing tariffs on $85 billion worth of goods...

Everything is in the positive man. Sure not every quarter is record setting but it's still up and people are doing tremendously good.

Every quarter has been up over the 2% except 2 in the last 3 years.
Really turns out Trump did have a "magic wand".
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By Odin.Slore 2020-02-07 14:18:46  
If your 401k hasn't more than doubled in last 3 years you are invested in absolute ***.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-02-07 14:20:39  
Trying to get Vic to provide actual data is like herdings cats. Occasionally it works, but it’s rarely worth the effort.
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